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rolour
Oct 08, 2006, 11:09 PM
Sometimes if you run into a Filipino basketball league here, you might bump into some familiar faces. Pictures were taken from a recent Fil-Am league held at Harper College in the Chicago suburbs. The league is inter-state. See how many familiar faces you can identify.

(photo courtesy: Jun Aparri)

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moody erum
Oct 09, 2006, 12:52 AM
1st Photo :
off the bat -
number 8 - Naning Valenciano
number 5 - Abet Guidaben
number 12 - Macky De Joya
number 13 - Yoyong "The Bicolano Superman" Villamin - Iloilo Megavolts alum

2nd Photo :
off the bat -
Tall guy in black shirt and jeans ( older guy ) - Peter Aguilar
Taller guy in black shirt and shorts ( younger ) - Japeth Aguilar who will play for Western Kentucky U in the US NCAA Div I, nee of the Ateneo Blue Eagles

ice
Oct 09, 2006, 08:29 AM
abet guidaben, yoyoy villamin, peter aguilar, and yes, japeth aguilar who was a beanpole in the ateneo eagles line-up a year ago. :brows:
what do you think if japeth played for the blue eagles in the UAAP finals this year against UST? Boy, he could have been a big difference....:-k :-k

rolour
Oct 14, 2006, 10:08 AM
Moods, di-in si Naning? Wala ko kita nga no. 8.

I met Peter Aguilar and his wife in one of the Pinoy parties here months ago. I think his son was still trying out for Division 1 NCAA univs. at that time. We talked about his Ginebra days and other ex-PBA players who are in the area, including Mike Otto and Robert Punzalan.

I am not sure if you can identify an over-the-hill ex-coach of the Medicine basketball team in the picture below. (Clue: He is not that short. Peter Aguilar is just freakin' tall):

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moody erum
Oct 15, 2006, 05:44 AM
Ithink no. 6 si Naning, leaning forward, beside the older guy in a red shirt, 1st pic. Indi maklaro ang number niya.

rolour
Oct 15, 2006, 11:31 AM
Ithink no. 6 si Naning, leaning forward, beside the older guy in a red shirt, 1st pic. Indi maklaro ang number niya.

Ah, okay. Looked more like 6 to me, but could be 8.

Anyways, the faces are familiar but I only recognize Guidaben and Villamin. I'll ask Jun A. who provided the pictures and who plays with these ex-PBA players on a regular basis.

magic
Oct 17, 2006, 02:16 AM
Remember Willie Tanduyan? He used to play for Crispa and Gilbeys Gin during the early years of the PBA.

Willie now drives for my uncle. Occasionally, he drives the town ambulance.

I had the chance to meet him when he brought a sick relative to Iloilo. It never occured to me that he was the same guy who played in the PBA even though my younger brother keeps on mentioning his first name. He was mentioning names like Atoy, Bernie, Philip as if they were his long lost friend. :roll: When he proudly disclosed himself as one of the members of ACA (acronym for Atoy Co and Associates), that's when I suspected that he could be that same guy.#-o

It was my younger brother who confirmed my suspicion. They played together for our town's basketball team during last summer's Inter-town basketball tournament. My brother swears he can still play basketball.
BTW, they did not win the championship. Obviously, they need me to win it.:brows::brows: :brows:

rolour
Oct 17, 2006, 12:26 PM
One-on-one pre? My money is on Willie Tanduyan :sneer: :sneer: .

More on ex-PBA players - I have seen a poster of a local Fil-Am league here and there was one familiar name - Renato "Etok" Lobo. You may remember him from his San Miguel days. BTW, he is not related to WNBA's Rebecca "Etak" Lobo :mrgreen: .

moody erum
Oct 18, 2006, 01:29 AM
RG / RS,
About 2 years ago, we had a guest player in one particular game with the Med Reps at Puerto Real, Iloilo. He was trim, older than us, but was a spectacular ball-handler. When sides were chosen I ended up on his team. I had 12 straight points on fastbreaks because this guy could rebound ( he was about 6'1 ) and pivot and issue an outlet pass in one motion, thus my points, I only had to run and catch. After the game I asked him his name ( he was calling me Doc,he,he ). It turned out he was ex- Crispa and ex-Shell guard and present RP Womens Team coach Bay Cristobal. His wife is a rep of Pfizer assigned in Iloilo. BTW, his wife played Varsity hoops for WVSU as an undergrad, I think BS Bio, in the 90's, wala nyo na naabutan.:thumb

robby:b
Oct 23, 2006, 09:41 AM
Abet Guidaben's son married one of my co-worker. I think they reside in NJ.

A photo with Peter Aguilar. in a Christening ceremony ... He was one of the Ninongs too.
RG, ga pang-hagad si Peter lantaw Basketball when Western Kentucky visits and play here. He gave me this poster with the schedule.

664665 sugpon sang poster 666

rolour
Oct 23, 2006, 10:17 AM
RG, ga pang-hagad si Peter lantaw Basketball when Western Kentucky visits and play here. He gave me this poster with the schedule.

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lihog lg reserba isa pre... :wink: . although i'm not seeing chicago or illinois in the schedule

robby:b
Oct 23, 2006, 10:47 AM
although i'm not seeing chicago or illinois in the schedule Wala Illinois pre, 'ambal ya may ara sa Indiana. i think that's Ball State.. malayo na 'to galing. #-o
Lantaw na lang ta sa ESPN2 :sneer:

rolour
Oct 23, 2006, 11:27 AM
Wala Illinois pre, 'ambal ya may ara sa Indiana. i think that's Ball State.. malayo na 'to galing. #-o
Lantaw na lang ta sa ESPN2 :sneer:

Maybe NCAA Tournament? And one of the brackets is in Chicago? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

rolour
Feb 27, 2007, 03:56 PM
Japeth Aguilar's profile on WKU's website:

http://www.wkusports.com/profile.cgi?profile=1835

moody erum
Mar 15, 2007, 02:17 AM
This is the Team tasked to bring Philippine basketball back to the Olympics ( 1972 was the last time RP represented Asia in the Olympics, after we won the 1971 Asian Basketball Championships ) :

1. Asi Taulava - 6'9 ( Talk n Text ) - center
2. Mick Pennisi - 6'8 ( Red Bull ) - center/ forward
3. Danny Siegle - 6'7 ( San Miguel )- small forward
4. Tony Dela Cruz - 6'6 ( Alaska )- small forward/ off-guard
5. Ranidel De Ocampo-6'5 ( Air 21 )- small forward
6. Kerby Raymundo - 6'6 ( Purefoods )- power forward
7. Enrico Villanueva - 6'5 ( Red Bull )- power forward
8. Don-Don Hontiveros - 6'2 ( San Miguel )- off-guard
9. Ren-Ren Ritualo - 6'0 ( Air 21 )- off guard
10. Jimmy Alapag - 5'9 ( Talk n Text )- point guard
11. Mark Caguioa - 5'11 ( Barangay Ginebra )- off-guard/ point guard
12. Jay-Jay Helterbrand - 6'1 ( Barangay Ginebra )- point guard

alternates :
1. Rommel Adducul - 6'6 ( San Miguel )- power forward
2. Raffy Reavis - 6'8 ( Barangay Ginebra )- power forward/center
3. Rudy Hatfield - 6'3 ( Barangay Ginebra )-small forward

Head Coach - Chot Reyes - 5'7 ( San Miguel )- Ateneo point guard
Asst Coach - Norman Black- 6'5 ( Sta Lucia Realty- on leave )-forward/ best import awardee

Short on height, big in heart ( as claimed, let's see, but hoping for the best ):thumb

rolour
Mar 15, 2007, 02:59 PM
Years ago, there was a question regarding Asi Taulava's real citizenship. I guess that's resolved? :-k

ice
Mar 15, 2007, 03:27 PM
why was James Yap, Danny Ildefonso, Willie Miller, and Eric Menk left out of the team?:-k :-k :-k

moody erum
Mar 15, 2007, 07:49 PM
Asi Taulava is now recognized as a Filipino because he has lived in the Philippines since 1995 ( 12 years ), applied for Filipino citizenship and was approved, is married to a Filipina, and holds a Filipino passport. He is like Norman Black, Darryl Smith, and Alex Compton ( now playing with Welcoat in the PBA ), full-blooded Americans who are now Filipino Citizens. Besides, he still insists his Mom is Filipina married to a Tongan.

Why do you think so Ice? If you are really a follower of Philippine Basketball you would know the answers to that Ice. That has been tackled by Chot Reyes and the Selection Committee in a forum when some ignorant, so-called expert sports-scribes asked the same questions thinking they sounded so smart - "Why was James Yap not included in the Team, is it because he is involved in a controversy...blah, blah, blah?" Anyway, if you can't find the answers I will post them here next time. Got to go.:thumb Ildefonso, Miller, and Menk too.

Rebecca Tanduyan
Sep 26, 2007, 07:46 AM
hey..

can you give my regards to my father inlaw willie... bumped into ur message!! Tell him when becky(thats me) is in philippines,that i will see him..

thanx


Remember Willie Tanduyan? He used to play for Crispa and Gilbeys Gin during the early years of the PBA.

Willie now drives for my uncle. Occasionally, he drives the town ambulance.

I had the chance to meet him when he brought a sick relative to Iloilo. It never occured to me that he was the same guy who played in the PBA even though my younger brother keeps on mentioning his first name. He was mentioning names like Atoy, Bernie, Philip as if they were his long lost friend. :roll: When he proudly disclosed himself as one of the members of ACA (acronym for Atoy Co and Associates), that's when I suspected that he could be that same guy.#-o

It was my younger brother who confirmed my suspicion. They played together for our town's basketball team during last summer's Inter-town basketball tournament. My brother swears he can still play basketball.
BTW, they did not win the championship. Obviously, they need me to win it.:brows::brows: :brows:

moody erum
Jan 09, 2008, 02:20 AM
Did you know that :

1. Allan Caidic was rejected by the Ateneo Blue Eagles and the Mapua Cardinals when he tried out for them. He was accepted at UE and the rest was history.

2. Alvin Patrimonio was rejected by the La Salle Green Archers when he tried out and immediately after the La Salle try-outs went to the Mapua try-outs and was accepted. Again the rest is history.

Both Caidic and Patrimonio became UAAP MVPs in their sophomore years. Both hold the record for being the only players ever to represent the Philippines in 4 Asian Games - 1986, 1990, 1994, and 1998. Both became PBA MVPs. Caidic still holds the record of being the only Philippine player to win the Jones Cup twice - 1985 and 1998. Caidic still holds the PBA record 79 points in a game and holds the highest number of treys made in a PBA career. Patrimonio shares with El Presidente the record of 4 PBA MVP Awards.

So, its really true. The truly great coach is one who sees a diamond in the rough. Or what rejection can do to spur somebody to greatness.

My uncle tells me that in the early 70s his friends and officemates would play "pustahan" games at the Carbon Market court in Cebu. The regulars would laugh at the gangling Abet Guidaben and concluded he would never amount to much. Well, Guidaben is in the PBA Hall of Fame while those who laughed are in the dustbins of history. :thumb

Theophilus
Jan 09, 2008, 10:29 AM
Both Caidic and Patrimonio became UAAP MVPs in their sophomore years.

Caidic and Patrimonio are "old" players that is, they were the star players during 80's and 90's :wink:. I no longer follow-up the PBA games but aren't there really good players among the present group? I still think that nothing still compares with the Crispa-Toyota rivalry of old. I believe those were the golden years of professional basketball in the Philippines.

moody erum
Jan 10, 2008, 02:50 AM
The present crop of players are actually better, bigger, taller, more talented. I' am talking here of not just the Fil-Ams or other half-breeds who come and play as Filipinos in the PBA. The home-grown players too. But I don't post about them because you would not know them. It would be an unfair discussion since I know them all and watch them regularly here.

Yes its true. No rivalry could ever compare to the Crispa-Toyota wars. Not before. Not after. Now, teams are more balanced because of the institutionalization of the Draft system, ala the NBA. So there is parity now. Weak teams pick first and have an earlier crack at the college stars, top PBL talents, National players, etc. Even Fil-Ams have to play at least 1 year in the PBL before they can apply for the Draft and then get picked just like all the other draftees.

Before pagustuhanay lang eh. Paunahay. Example, the Floros had a MICAA team which they elevated when the PBA was formed. Because they could afford it, they had scouts in Cebu, Davao, and other major cities who scoured for talents. There was no draft system before. It was finders keepers. So the moment a Crispa scout spots someone good, they sign him up immediately. Instant Redmanizer. Wala na draft-draft. Wala chance iban teams. Same with Toyota. So, they had the best players. Plus before, wala salary cap, therefore the richest teams could sign up the best players since the "poorer"teams could not match their offers. Again, Crispa vs. Toyota.

Remember how Manny Paner was signed up by Tru-Orange as a sort of "coup", but they could no longer afford other stars. Crispa-Toyota gihapon ang hari. And Padim Israel for example did not play college ball. Yes, he did not. Instead he played for MAN Diesel. Rumors had it, the MAN management were Floro people, and after playing for the RP Team in 1978, became a Redmanizer. Arnie Tuadles, Bay Cristobal, Rudy Distrito, Jay Ramirez, Joseph Cordero, and many others from the provinces were signed up this way. A pro scout sees them play, makes an offer, instant Super Corolla, wala na draft. And since Crispa and Toyota had the best networks, they continually replenished their already strong line-ups. Star college players in Manila were already courted by Crispa or Toyota long before graduation ( everybody, or at least almost everybody, graduated then ).

But with today's parity, which is good actually, no long-term rivalries could develop anymore. San Miguel versus Alaska? Fine. Then next Conference its Purefoods versus Red Bull in the Finals. The country no longer divides into two zones - a Crispa or Toyota zone like before.

Proof - when Crispa and Toyota had their Reunion Game in 2003, it outsold the regular North-South Allstar Game the following day. And it did not disappoint. After Adornado's trey made it 61 all, a booming trey by Jawo from a Fernandez kick out pass won it for Toyota 64-61. Crispa still leads in their all-time head-to-head contests 64-62. They even had a real bona fide fight during the reunion contest - Guidaben versus Rocha. And game MVP Terry Saldana showing his welts and bruises to the camera in the post-game interview and calling the Redmanizers as "parang mga squatter kung maglaro!" In a Reunion Game at that! No rivalry could ever come close.:thumb

Theophilus
Jan 10, 2008, 10:59 PM
And game MVP Terry Saldana showing his welts and bruises to the camera in the post-game interview and calling the Redmanizers as "parang mga squatter kung maglaro!" In a Reunion Game at that! No rivalry could ever come close. :thumb

:D With welts and bruises as proofs, I think that's a typical physical (dirty!) game between the two teams. I would love to see them play again. :clapclap: Galing kay lagtok tuhod na sila tanan. :mrgreen:

BTW, this - team rivalries and all - is an interesting topic for your blog, too. :thumb

rolour
Jan 11, 2008, 10:56 AM
Thanks for the reminiscin' Moods... ahh... the good, old days of the arrogant Redmanizers :twisted: . They had 12 Danny Ainges back then :mrgreen: , including no. 6 :-k , forgot the name...

Toyota Forever !! :thumb :thumb

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/60/Toyota.gif

Theophilus
Jan 11, 2008, 11:08 AM
Toyota Forever !! http://www.medskul.com/forum/images/smilies/thumb.gif http://www.medskul.com/forum/images/smilies/thumb.gif


Yes, the good ol' Toyota days and even before that when the team's name was Komatsu. I still remember the times when I lost months supply of dessert (banana, mango, what-have-you) kay wa-ay kuwarta ipang pusta :2oops: because Crispa won more championships than Toyota. BTW, #6 was Francis Arnaiz? Not sure.

rolour
Jan 11, 2008, 11:28 AM
BTW, #6 was Francis Arnaiz? Not sure.

Rey, Francis Arnaiz was with Toyota, #8 and was a good man, never arrogant, compared to Crispa's # 6. I'll ask a good friend who worships the ground #6 walks on :twisted:

That's him (Crispa's #6) trying hard to pass (in vain) against Jawo's stifling defense:
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Komatsu was Toyota's name when they were still with MICAA (amateur). When PBA started in 1975, they were known as the Toyota Comets.

rolour
Jan 11, 2008, 11:41 AM
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Toyota as champions in 1979. In the foreground (no shirt) is the late Arnie Tuadles.

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Jawo finger-rolls over Philip Cezar

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Outfoxing Larry Pounds

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2000 assists

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Jawo humbles Hubalde

Theophilus
Jan 11, 2008, 02:46 PM
Rey, Francis Arnaiz was with Toyota, #8 and was a good man, never arrogant, compared to Crispa's # 6. I'll ask a good friend who worships the ground #6 walks on http://www.medskul.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif


Oh, I thought you meant Toyota's #6 :2oops: or 8. Heard Arnaiz preach in a Filipino church in the U.S. and share his testimony (on tape). It was a blessing to know how the Lord turned him around.

BTW, everybody remembers Crispa's #6 especially Toyota fans. :mrgreen:

moody erum
Jan 13, 2008, 10:21 AM
Fact : Robert Jaworski first played commercial ball for the CRISPA REDMANIZERS in 1968 under his UE Coach Baby Dalupan.:thumb

magic
Jan 14, 2008, 05:07 AM
And Padim Israel for example did not play college ball. Yes, he did not. Instead he played for MAN Diesel. Rumors had it, the MAN management were Floro people, and after playing for the RP Team in 1978, became a Redmanizer.

Moods, correction lang.... Padim Israel played college ball for Ateneo Blue Eagles. In fact, together with Steve Watson, Joy Carpio and Fritz Gaston, they won the NCAA Championship in 1977.

Padim also did not play for MAN Diesel. He played for APCOR together with Mon Cruz, Bay Cristobal, Yoyoy Villamin. In 1981, these four APCOR "babies" turned pro in the middle of the 3rd conference for Crispa.

The following year, Toyota, trying its best not to get outdone, recruited Terry Saldana, Ed Cordero, Ricky Relosa and Tim Coloso.

Still, no matter who Toyota recruited, they can't still beat Crispa. :brows:

P.S. MAN Diesel was the farm team of Toyota "Tangaraws" (Now you know where my loyalty lies). That's where they got Pol Herrera and and I think Emer Legaspi.




Thanks for the reminiscin' Moods... ahh... the good, old days of the arrogant Redmanizers :twisted: . They had 12 Danny Ainges back then :mrgreen: , including no. 6 :-k , forgot the name...

Toyota Forever !! :thumb :thumb




RG, Let me refresh your memory.....Crispa No. 6 was Atoy Co. The Fortune Cookie.... Mr 5,000.... Mr 10,000. One of the best shooting guard Philippines has ever produced.....PBA MVP 1979.....Has the best fadeaway (gave Jawo fits when guarding him). :thumb

Shall I go on and on and on?

rolour
Jan 14, 2008, 06:18 AM
RG, Let me refresh your memory.....Crispa No. 6 was Atoy Co. The Fortune Cookie.... Mr 5,000.... Mr 10,000. One of the best shooting guard Philippines has ever produced.....PBA MVP 1979.....Has the best fadeaway (gave Jawo fits when guarding him). :thumb

Shall I go on and on and on?

Ahh... the things I can do to make you post :mrgreen: .

Pre, thanks... how can I forget #-o. I should remember, he was so in love with Kuh Ledesma (the singer) that he proposed marriage. Ms. Ledesma rejected him because she did not want to be known as Mrs. Kuh Co :sneer: .

I think the recruitment of the APCOR babies and Saldana, etc. to Crispa and Toyota, respectively, finally knocked some sense into the commissioner's head and initiated the PBA draft. Before that, as Moody has mentioned, it was like Crispa or Toyota getting the first 4 picks every year.

moody erum
Jan 15, 2008, 07:01 PM
We are both right Rin's. I read in Padim's personal profile that he is indeed a member of the Ateneo Blue Eagles back-to-back Champion Team in 1976 and 77, as you mentioned, with Joy Carpio, Fritz Gaston, Steve Watson. He was also a member of the RP Team to the 1978 World Basketball Championships held in Manila. The rest of the facts like his playing for APCOR and his becoming a Crispa Redmanizer are as you stated.

Interestingly, Padim did miss part of his freshman year of playing for the Ateneo because he played for MAN Diesel, which was not allowed under College basketball rules - MAN being a commercial team. But he reverted back to full amateur status and was thus able to play for the Ateneo and win back-to-back. I cannot place his APCOR days in my reading, but I think it must have been while still being a junior or senior at the Ateneo, or shortly after graduation and just before being taken in by Crispa. I remember Padim was once named PBA Most Improved Player, though can't remember the year. I also remember him playing for Tanduay when they won Titles in 1986 with Mon Fernandez.

He is now an ordained Minister and I think still serves as Pastor for the Bread of Life Ministries. He is married to actress Rio Locsin.

Maybe he got out of MAN when he found out it was the farm team of the Tangaraws? I mean, Tamaraws. Ha, ha,ha. I'am a Crispa fan and an Atoy Co fan long before I knew Rino, so no pasunod-sunod here. My Father was a Crispanatic and a Bernie Fabiosa fan. But I admired the Toyota players just as well. But when they played against each other, I was "green". In fact, when Tru-Orange had a promo back in 1976 when I was grade 2, you exchanged a number of bottle caps ( tansan ah ) and a few pesos for a PBA jersey, I cried because the Dumaguete Sales Office had ran out of "F. Co Jr" and "Cezar" jerseys. Woe to me, I had to settle for a "Hubalde" jersey. Good thing that the year after, 1977, Hubalde was MVP, and then I didn't feel so bad wearing my jersey.

Interesting fact - while he was not as popular nor half as good-looking, Hubalde was MVP before Atoy or King Philip won the honors ( Co - 79 and Cezar - 80 ).

magic
Jan 15, 2008, 08:55 PM
To highlight how dominating Crispa was during the early years of the PBA....just read these facts:

Champion for 6 straight conferences. Although Toyota won the first 2 conferences in 1975, they were denied of a Grand Slam when Crispa won the 3rd conference. This was the start of a 6 conference winning streak which includes a Grand Slam in 1976.
2-time Grand Slam Champions. In 1976 and 1983.
Most PBA titles won. They won 13 championships, the most number of titles won, up to the time the team disbanded.
Best winning percentage in winning a Championship. In 1980, Crispa almost swept (20-1) the All-Filipino Conference.
Most number of MVPs. Bogs Adornado (75-76), Freddie Hubalde (77), Atoy Co (79), Philip Cezar (80), Abet Guidaben (83).Daw naghipos ang mga Toyota fans haw? :brows:

rolour
Jan 15, 2008, 10:01 PM
Daw naghipos ang mga Toyota fans haw? :brows:

Wala ko yearbook and my memory is failing me. But I need to say something so okay - Nick Bulaong could have easily crushed Philip Cesar in a one-on-one :thumb .

moody erum
Jan 16, 2008, 02:18 AM
Just the fact that we are still "arguing" about Crispa-Toyota 25 years after their last official game ( excluding the 2003 Reunion Game ) against each other is testament to the greatness of their rivalry. The younger generations don't know what they missed.

It was a fact that when Crispa and Toyota played against each other, the streets of Manila were virtually deserted.

To give a reference point to the rivalry, here are some facts :

1. 21 out of the first 26 PBA Championships went to a team named Crispa or Toyota.
2. Crispa won their first game in the PBA against each other on May 10, 1975 led by Atoy Co's 35 points.
3. Crispa won the last game against each other on October 9, 1983, 111-96.
4. Crispa holds a 63-60 all-time lead in their head-to-heads.
5. Toyota won their Reunion game in 2003 and if counted, narrows the lead of Crispa to 63-61.
6. Toyota won the 1981 Open Conference 3-2 versus Crispa with Andy Fields ( Toyota ) and Byron 'Snake' Jones ( Toyota ) as imports. This was the very last time Toyota and Crispa met in a Championship match.
7. In the first game of the 1977 season, Crispa defeated Toyota 122-121 in a game marred by a free-for-all between players, team officials, waterboys, and fans, at the Araneta. The Crispa and Toyota players were imprisoned for one night at the Fort Bonifacio holding cells and Commisioner Leo Prieto fined all of them the hefty sum of 5,000 pesos each. To give perspective, the highest paid players at that time were receiving 20,000 pesos per month.

---Information is taken from Wikipedia.:thumb

moody erum
Jan 16, 2008, 02:21 AM
Correction - Byron 'Snake' Jones of Crispa:thumb

moody erum
Jan 16, 2008, 07:20 PM
With regards to Nic Bulaong, maybe on a good day and if Philip Cezar ( with a "Z" ) has one foot nailed to the floor, he would win one-on-one. But anytime is probably far-fetched. However, Nicanor "Nic" Bulaong has a PBA record that will never be broken, unless the PBA changes its rules. Bulaong holds the record of being the youngest player ever to play in the PBA, making his debut at age 18. I read this in one of the threads at MyPBA.COM. I think he was inked by Toyota as a sophomore straight out of FEU ( the FEU Tamaraws, coincidence? ). With the PBA setting an age limit of at least 23 years old or proof of graduating from college for those below 23, then this record will not be broken, until such time a genius will graduate from college at 17 and is good enough to play in the PBA.:thumb

Theophilus
Jan 16, 2008, 10:36 PM
Bulaong holds the record of being the youngest player ever to play in the PBA, making his debut at age 18.

Moods, all along I thought that Abe King was the youngest player ever to play at 19. I have to check that out... it's been years:2oops:

moody erum
Jan 17, 2008, 10:39 AM
I think its really Bulaong at 18. Nic B. was in themiddle of his sophomore year at FEU when he was signed to play for Toyota. Abe King finished his sophomore year at San Beda then quit college ball to play for MAN Diesel/Frigidaire for a year before he was called up by Toyota in 1977 as a 19-year old. But if you can find any info Theo, do post it here.

The first team to break the Toyota-Crispa monopoly was the Universal Textile Wranglers in 1978. Who would ever forget their epic win over Toyota highlighted by the "longest 16 seconds", Toyota ahead by 4 and still winning it all. The names Adornado, Lim Eng Beng, Aaron James, and ex-Celtic Glenn McDonald will forever be linked to that win. :thumb 1978 was the year when instead of red or green, the yellow and black reigned. And Tommy Manotoc proved he could coach at the PBA level.

rolour
Jan 17, 2008, 02:14 PM
Merged the Ex-PBA Players thread with this thread since they seem similar. The thread title remains Pilipinas Basketball.

moody erum
Jan 19, 2008, 10:32 AM
Correction - The Utex Wranglers were indeed the first team to win a Championship that was not named Crispa or Toyota, winning the 1978 Open Conference spearheaded by Adornado and imports Glenn McDonald and Snake Jones. But the "longest 16 seconds" happened in the 1980 Open Conference, the Wranglers 2nd and last Championship. This was against Toyota.:thumb

moody erum
Mar 03, 2008, 10:53 AM
Sta Lucia won the Philippine Cup Championship! They beat Purefoods in game 7. It was a very exciting series.

Purefoods was trying to match Crispa's record of 5 All-Filipino Crowns ( now called the Philippine Cup ) having won 4 already, but the Realtors would not cooperate. It was only Sta Lucia's 2nd Title since the team was formed in 1993. Their other Title was the 2001 Governor's Cup ( Reinforced Conference ).

Cotroversial pa! When James Yap was suspended for game 5 for his flagrant on Joseph "The Ninja" Yeo, San Miguel pulled out 60M worth of ads for games 6 and 7. Now you know why they call the PBA as the "Liga San Miguel". With 4 teams in the PBA, its a San Mig League indeed.

But Game 7 was a dogfight as only Pinoy basketball could do. And the Araneta was full to the rafters in all games. The Sta Lucia-Purefoods Game 7 was the second all-time high in attendance - 18, 177, with hundreds turned away at the gates. But Lito V., our mutual anesth friend, and I were comfortable with our San Mig Lites and Bourbon Street spareribs. And we were not turned away at the gates.

Ryan Reyes, the pure Pinoy Fil-Am was instrumental in controlling 'Big Game' James/King James in the 3rd and 4th Q. Omolon, Yeo, Denok M., Daa , Reyes, and of course Kelly "Machine Gun" Williams, blended in beautifully with the vet Dennis Espino. Even the aging "Skyscraper" played well, scoring 12 straight points in the 4th Q in the instrumental 5th Game and 11 straight in the 1st 7 minutes of the 4th Q of game 7.

And making me forget that the "Other" League had a Western Showdown Mavs-Lakers offering. Oh well, before the Reinforced Conference starts, I could probably catch a guy named Ray Allen trying to do his best imitation of King James.:thumb

rolour
Mar 03, 2008, 11:40 AM
Ti, nano natabo' kay RS? Purefoods na ang team ya :mrgreen: .

moody erum
Mar 28, 2008, 05:11 AM
Is Japeth Aguilar, presently of the Western Kentucky Hilltoppers, the best hope for a pure Pinoy to make it to the NBA? What do you think?

And I thought a few posts would appear in this thread. But no dice. Can't blame you guys. Nobody follows RP Hoops there in your side of the world.

Trivia - What was the Philippines' place in the 1970 "Under 6-feet Basketball tournament"?

rolour
Mar 29, 2008, 08:23 AM
Is Japeth Aguilar, presently of the Western Kentucky Hilltoppers, the best hope for a pure Pinoy to make it to the NBA? What do you think?

And I thought a few posts would appear in this thread. But no dice. Can't blame you guys. Nobody follows RP Hoops there in your side of the world.

Trivia - What was the Philippines' place in the 1970 "Under 6-feet Basketball tournament"?

Best hope? Yes. Wala' naman iban mong. But the chances are slim to none. Thousands enter the NBA draft every year and there are only 2 rounds of guaranteed roster spots and money. I have met Peter Aguilar, Japeth's Dad, and he is a cool friendly man, but I am just being realistic. Japeth should consider himself lucky. He is getting a College education while honing his skills in an NCAA tournament-worthy University. He will be a star... in the PBA. And that's not bad.

They used to show the PBA here in one of the channels of TFC. I don't think they do anymore since it's been replaced by marathons of "Maging Sino Ka Man". You're right, nobody and I mean, nobody, watches the PBA here. Local PBA lang. Liga sang mga Pinoy, some of them end up in the MBA (if it still exists).

There was an under-6 tournament? :-k :smile2: .

robby:b
Mar 29, 2008, 11:19 AM
Best hope? Yes. Wala' naman iban mong. But the chances are slim to none. Thousands enter the NBA draft every year and there are only 2 rounds of guaranteed roster spots and money. I have met Peter Aguilar, Japeth's Dad, and he is a cool friendly man, but I am just being realistic. Japeth should consider himself lucky. He is getting a College education while honing his skills in an NCAA tournament-worthy University. He will be a star... in the PBA. And that's not bad.

I agree. I met Peter last month sa isa ka birthday party. He told me he has a new poster of the WKU Hilltoppers. Lipat ko galing mag kuha. Honestly, I'll be disappointed if my kid's game log says "DNP" in most of the games. But the dad seemed happy and satisfied about his kid. I'm sure Japeth will be a PBA star, there's no question about it. NBA? tough, very tough. He's in his Junior year and WKU basketball is making a big name this year. Who knows he'll be playing at least half of the season games next year.

moody erum
Mar 29, 2008, 11:48 PM
Exactly my thoughts Rob and RG. Japeth will be a star, or at least a good player, in the PBA, but the NBA is a long, long shot.

As Rob mentioned, Japeth has more DNP-CD's than playing time ( sounds familiar ). WKU had a 29-6 record this year ( for the Sunbelt Conf and NCAA's total ). Of the 35 games played by WKU, Japeth was only sent in 3 times - against Kennesaw State, Kentucky Wesleyan ( ila nga Cabalum College ), New Orleans U - all won by a large margin by WKU, thus he was sent in. In those 3 games, he tallied 2.7 ppg, 3.3 rpg, and 1.0 assts. The other 32 games he didn't even take off his warm-up suit.

But as RG points out, he is having a good US education and honing his skills there, which is a very good help for his future, especially non-basketball. And he can come back and play PBA Ball and be a multi-millionaire before he is through.

In Chip Engelland's opinion, a 6'8 Samboy Lim would be the best chance for a Pinoy to make it to the NBA. I also think our small men have the best chances. We could never be as big. But a small point guard with amazing dribbling and passing skills could make it. The Japanese Tabusi who played for the Suns briefly was outplayed by our own Willie Miller and Mark Caguioa and Jay-Jay Helterbrand in the Asian Champions Cup. He was also completely outclassed by Jimmy Alapag. Connections lang and hype by the Japanese pero sa abilidad...

rolour
Mar 30, 2008, 06:47 AM
Exactly my thoughts Rob and RG. Japeth will be a star, or at least a good player, in the PBA, but the NBA is a long, long shot.

As Rob mentioned, Japeth has more DNP-CD's than playing time ( sounds familiar ). WKU had a 29-6 record this year ( for the Sunbelt Conf and NCAA's total ). Of the 35 games played by WKU, Japeth was only sent in 3 times - against Kennesaw State, Kentucky Wesleyan ( ila nga Cabalum College ), New Orleans U - all won by a large margin by WKU, thus he was sent in. In those 3 games, he tallied 2.7 ppg, 3.3 rpg, and 1.0 assts. The other 32 games he didn't even take off his warm-up suit.

But as RG points out, he is having a good US education and honing his skills there, which is a very good help for his future, especially non-basketball. And he can come back and play PBA Ball and be a multi-millionaire before he is through.


I think one of the common mistakes of young men in America is everybody thinks they can play in the NBA or the NFL, so they disregard their education and concentrate on playing. And if they don't make it, they end up with nothing. What they don't realize is there are millions like them but there are only few spots to fill in the NBA and a Kobe or a KG or an AI comes only every 10 years.

For the quality education that he is getting (for free, if I may add) at WKU (and you hope he is doing his homework), Japeth Aguilar and his proud parents should be more than thankful. Having a chance to play in the NCAA tournament is just an icing on the cake.

I remember (and searched) a conversation from the movie "Rudy" (based on a true story) between the main character and a groundskeeper. Rudy was about to quit after riding the bench of Notre Dame's football team.



Rudy: This entire year's been a waste!

Fortune (the groundskeeper): You got your head so far up your ass about that damn football team, you don't get the fact that you just got a year of top quality education! Waste? Quit wasting my time!

You're 5 foot nothin', 100 and nothin', and you have barely a speck of athletic ability. And you hung in there with the best college football players in the land for 2 years. And you're gonna walk outta here with a degree from the University of Notre Dame. In this life, you don't have to prove nothin' to nobody but yourself. And after what you've gone through, if you haven't done that by now, it ain't gonna never happen. Now go on back.

moody erum
Mar 30, 2008, 07:23 PM
I saw that movie RG. It was inspiring. It emphasized the importance of having HEART when playing, even if your short on talent and size. It was also good that the value of education was given focus.

Sadly, even here in RP, a lot of young men who are in the varsity leagues think they will be in PBA. They usually don't prepare for the big eventuality they won't make it. There are a lot. Wala sa PBA, wala pa eskwela.

I have a personal experience. My cousin, at 5'7, was the point guard of Ateneo de Davao. He was so good that he was recruited by the Ateneo de Manila on full athletic scholarship after his freshman year. His roommate at the Ateneo was a 6-footer from Cagayan named Isabelo "Jojo" Lastimosa, also a provincial call-up from the Ateneo de Cagayan ( Xavier U. ). But my cousin immediately knew that his talent was nowhere near Jolas' and their other teammate Nonoy Chuatico. So he concentrated on his studies at the first-rate Manila University and finished his Finance and Management degree. Jolas would later transfer to Univ of San Jose Recoletos-Cebu. Chuatico would become Ateneo's star. And my cousin would become a garbage time player.

Good for Jolas and Chuatico, they made it to the PBA, though Nonoy's career was as short as my height. But they were well off and he went back to their family business. My cousin now heads a printing business and exports processed meats to Singapore and Japan. Everytime Jolas visits Davao, they get together. Jolas is retired from basketball with no degree ( 3 sems short ), but is one of the greats. My cousin is now richer than Jolas. Point is, prepare for life, not just for basketball.

Which makes my memories of riding the bench less painful. Because at least I became a Doctor, he, he, he.:thumbAnd I always played with heart. I even cheered with heart from the bench.:D:D:D

moody erum
Mar 31, 2008, 07:46 PM
Bill Velasco's column at the PhilStar yesterday also dealt with Japeth Aguilar. He claims that the Wizards, Sonics, and especially the Warriors are showing interest in Japeth's development. The Warriors in particular would like, kuno, to take a gamble with Japeth if he develops into a good player because of the big Filipino population of Oakland. The NBA is a business remember. Velasco also mentions the presence of 6'10 Gian Chiu, a pure Pinoy, playing at Oberlin College in California. In his column he claims that it was also the Warriors who helped recommend Gian to a local California High School where he played well, and thus made it to the Oberlin team ( Div II or III? ).

Also, Velasco says that two PBA teams have already made offers to Japeth. Good for him. He can try it there and even if he doesn't make it, he'll have the PBA waiting for him.

An interesting development in Japeth's case. His WKU coach, Darrin Horn, is leaving WKU for South Carolina ( Gamecocks ). Will the new coach give Japeth a break? Or will he bury him more on the bench. Also, Velasco mentions that the main reason for Japeth's extended benching is because he had a stress fracture ( forgot which foot ) but that Coach Horn promised he would be the first man off the bench next year ( he has up to 2010 in his eligibility to play at WKU ). With a new coach coming in, it will be interesting to see what happens.

moody erum
Apr 21, 2008, 08:21 AM
Notable PBA Imports presently playing in the Fiesta Conference - Gee Gervin of the Coca-cola Tigers and Darius Rice ( Miami Hurricanes ) of Purefoods.

Won't bore you with game details of the PBA, you are in the US, the land where the mightiest basketball is played, so PBA? Forget it.:D:D:D

BTW, the answer to our long forgotten Trivia : The Philippines finished 3rd in the 1970 Under - 6-Feet Tournament won by the USA.

Players like Freddie Webb, Alex Marquez, Yoyong Martirez represented RP. The US won with a team built around Calvin Murphy and Charlie Criss. Just goes to show we have a chance kung pareho lang kadagko. 3rd in the World. I have no idea if they held another Tourney like that again.

I do remember they tried to form a 6'4 and Under League. They even toured the Philippines and played against some PBA teams, anyone remember that? I still do, vaguely.:wink:

ice
Apr 21, 2008, 05:41 PM
Won't bore you with game details of the PBA, you are in the US, the land where the mightiest basketball is played, so PBA? Forget it.:D:D:D


moods,
remember that this site does not cater only to us who are out of the country. don't think that we are not keen on hearing basketball news from there, including PBA news, i for one always read the sports of the Philippine Star (philstar.com) online. in fact i know that coach Tim Cone of Alaska was ejected from the recent game against Red Bull and coach Yeng Guiao was assessed a T for complaining about Alaska's Randy Holcomb's flagrant foul over Rich Alvarez.:smile2:

so try to update us on the basketball scene there. how about Liga Pilipinas, is Iloilo fielding a team? what's it called?:-k

moody erum
Apr 21, 2008, 08:32 PM
Sorry about that Perry Boy. I'am glad you still watch, or at least read about the PBA there. I just took RG's post of March 29, 2008 that said "nobody and I mean nobody, watches the PBA here". Since my mga US-born cousins and nephews also don't, I thought it held true. Really glad to hear you are updated.:thumb

The Liga Pilipinas is patterned after the current NBC and the MBA before, with teams representing cities and regions and having a home and away format. The Commisioner is ex-PBA Commish Noli Eala.

Wala pa ako idea gid about the Leagues finer points since wala pa ka-start ang 1st season, sa May bala mo. But if it will follow the NBC before it, it won't try to compete with the PBA in terms of salaries, like the MBA before, which led to its folding. The NBC had only a salary cap of P300,000 per team per month, with no player receiving more than P30,000 per month. So affordable and viable ang league. In contrast, the PBA pays a max of P350,000 a month for one single top player. Comm. Eala has said it will more or less be the same. This league won't compete with the PBA, but it will widen opportunities for provincial players since the rules are that at least 6 players of each team will be from the city it represents. Also, it has a limit of only 1 ex-PBA player per team. So Liga Pilipinas will be about discovering new talents and won't be a repository of aging, released, looking-for-a-job, ex-PBA players. :smile2:

Iloilo's NBC Team will be in the Liga Pilipinas. There are 16 teams for the maiden season of the Liga. As far as my friend ( upod ko sa team sa Westbridge Dads' ) and Iloilo team owner Robert Uy told me, it will still be the Iloilo Warriors. Since they own Toyota Iloilo, it will be the Toyota-Iloilo Warriors, just like last year.:thumb

rolour
Apr 21, 2008, 09:02 PM
Sorry about that Perry Boy. I'am glad you still watch, or at least read about the PBA there. I just took RG's post of March 29, 2008 that said "nobody and I mean nobody, watches the PBA here". Since my mga US-born cousins and nephews also don't, I thought it held true.

That may still be true for the simple reason that the PBA is no longer shown here, particularly on TFC. But some of us may be just as content reading and hearing about the PBA and Philippine basketball. So your posts Moods are always appreciated and welcome.

ice
Apr 23, 2008, 12:56 PM
axzworx,
the stars of the PBA are descending in Bacolod for the All Star Weekend:clapclap::clapclap:

moody erum
Apr 23, 2008, 08:41 PM
Yes! The All-Stars are coming to Bacolod. Thinking of making that 55-minute trip to Bacolod.

This one's for the books - the Talk 'n Text team set a new record for "Most three-point shots made in a single game by a team" two nights ago. T n' T made 23 treys, breaking the old record of 18 by Presto set in 1989 and tied in 1991. In that 1991 game Allan Caidic accounted for 17 of the 18 treys made by Presto. Padim Israel made the other one. Those 17 treys made in one game is still a record for an individual. T n T had 8 players accounting for those 23 treys with Jimmmy Alapag having 7 of them. They beat Air 21 116-99. TnT also made a record 54% of their trey attempts in that game.:thumb

Those 17 treys Caidic made in that '91 game was part of his 79-point PBA record for a game.

If the RP Team could do that on a regular basis, we would have a chance in the FIBA-Asia.:thumb:thumb:thumb

moody erum
Jun 02, 2008, 08:34 PM
I know these pales in comparison to the Celtics-Lakers Finals. Nobody should be talking about RP Hoops at this time. :wink:

Mildly interesting news for you US guys - Jason Castro ( who?!) of the PBL's Harbour Centre Team ( who just won their 5th straight PBL crown ), the 2nd player in PBL history ( after Eric Menk ) to win 3 straight MVP Awards ( and NCAA MVP Awardee )is not going to be drafted by any PBA Team. He has graduated already from Philippine Christian University ( Dolphins ) and is eligible for the PBA Draft. He has also done service for the National Team, winning Gold Medals in the SEA Games and the SEA Interclub Championships. But he is not being drafted by any PBA Team. Why?!

Castro has been signed by the Singapore Slingers who play in the Australian-based NBL, making him the first Pinoy to play in the Aussie Pro League.

Castro is a 5'9 point guard who is quicker, stronger, bigger, and a much, much better shooter than Johnny A. ( to give you US guys a point of comparison ).

So correct si Chip Engelland. While he says a 6'8 Samboy has the best chance for a Pinoy to make it in foreign leagues, in the same breath he says that the "small guys, the point guards" are our best chances.

Another mildly interesting fact : George Gervin's brother Derrick Gervin ( Purefoods ) and his son Gee Gervin ( Coke ) have played in the PBA.

Maayo pa Ice, si Lanz pa-train gid kag kung indi maka-sulod da, ipa-PBA, star dayon mo, milyonaryo dayon. Guapo pa ( ilog sa Nanay, he, he, he, pareho sa akon bata ), star gid.

Speaking of the Aussie League : Australia's National Basketball Team is the Boomers. Did you know that Phil Smyth, a guard on the Boomers refused to take the court against the original Dream Team at the Barcelona Olympics in 1992? His reason - he was afraid he would get infected by HIV if he had to guard Magic Johnson!#-o( Wala gid sang naka-aviso nga team physician haw? They should know. Guardyahan gani ni Jesus sang dikit-dikit kontra namon nga may Hansen's sang nag-2-on-2 kami sa Leprosarium, he, he, he.)

ice
Jun 02, 2008, 09:32 PM
Maayo pa Ice, si Lanz pa-train gid kag kung indi maka-sulod da, ipa-PBA, star dayon mo, milyonaryo dayon. Guapo pa ( ilog sa Nanay, he, he, he, pareho sa akon bata ), star gid.



as of now, aim higher a kay wala pa man si Lance ga-hampang. hopefully mag-taas ni sa. si Scott Bai gani nag-advised na nga paimnon guid sang Chlorella Growth Factor....:sneer::sneer::sneer:

ice
Jun 02, 2008, 10:11 PM
Mildly interesting news for you US guys - Jason Castro ( who?!)

btw moods, most of us here (me not included) know only of one Jason Castro, and he is not playing hoops but rather sings in American Idol...:wink:

moody erum
Jun 06, 2008, 11:21 AM
I researched on it Perry Boy and, its not true that Ime Udoka played in the PBA. But there was a Nigerian named Ime Uduok who played for Purefoods in the second conference in 1999. He stood 6'8 and scored 12 points and grabbed 8 rebounds in his only game for Purefoods which they lost against Red Bull. The Spurs Ime Udoka is 6'6, a small forward who played collegiately at the Univ of Portland ( Vikings ) and has played for two NBDL teams and the Knicks but would have been too young to play as a PBA Import 9 years ago.:thumb

ice
Jun 08, 2008, 06:28 AM
here's another future of Philippine Basketball. his name is Gian Chiu, at 6'10" plays center for Oberlin University in California. he was on the roster of Ateneo before but opted to play Division III basketball. his planning to pursue medicine so he will probably be the first doctor to play in the NBA...:thumb

moody erum
Jun 08, 2008, 12:25 PM
Yes Perry, this guy has a bright future. He was an Ateneo Blue Eaglet when he was seen and recruited to play in the US. He was interviewed here and he says he chose Oberlin because of their very good pre-med program even if its "only" a div III hoops school.

As early as now, some PBA Teams have expressed interest, if and when he chooses hoops over medicine. Wow! What a sweet dilemma, hoops or medicine, or both. Wish I was 6'10. But then you don't produce giants out of pygmies, he, he, he.

His coach at Ateneo High ( Arespacochaga I think ) is now an Air 21 Assistant coach in the PBA.

He and Japeth Aguilar are also being recruited for the RP National Team.

BTW, about half of the present RP Youth Team ( under-18 ) that won the ASEAN Youth Tourney and earned the right to represent the region in the Asian Youth Tourney, are Fil-Foreigners - Fil-Ams and Fil-Canadians. The Tournament MVP, Napoleon Torres is Fil-American and stands 6'6. Forgot the name, but a 6'2 Fil-Canadian guard is arriving this week to join the team. The RP Youth Team is Franz Pumaren, LaSalle's 5-time winning coach in the UAAP. He wants a tall and fast moving team which could at least compete with China, Jordan, Iran, Korea.

manny
Jun 22, 2008, 09:08 PM
...
Iloilo's NBC Team will be in the Liga Pilipinas. There are 16 teams for the maiden season of the Liga. As far as my friend ( upod ko sa team sa Westbridge Dads' ) and Iloilo team owner Robert Uy told me, it will still be the Iloilo Warriors. Since they own Toyota Iloilo, it will be the Toyota-Iloilo Warriors, just like last year.:thumb

May Statistics ang Liga Pilipinas sa http://www.liga-statsboard.webnatin.com/

moody erum
Jul 13, 2008, 06:24 AM
Gilbert Arenas was in Manila July 4-8, 2008 for the adidas Agent Zero Tour. He was mobbed everywhere he went. He was also at courtside when Ateneo played La Salle in another classic that the Blue Eagles won 79-73. Arenas' plans to be back with a full team in the future.

Malik Rose, the Sacto Kings Dance Team, and Rufus Lynx - the Charlotte mascot - are also here for the "NBA Madness" Philippine Tour. The Larry O' Brien NBA Championship Trophy is with them on every stop, in a glass-encased secure case ( this is RP hey?).

Also, the PBA now has its very own glasscase in the Basketball Hall of Fame.:thumbSo far, its still a PBA cap on display while they ask for other materials like photos and jerseys. So, Jawo and Atoy will make it to the Hall after all.

Remember the Basketball Digest section we loved to read? The "Who's Better" which pitted two stars skill-for-skill and the cumulative score in the end?

Just curious : Who's better Jawo or Atoy?
Scoring - 20%
Playmaking- 20%
Defense- 20%
Rebounding - 20%
Leadership-10%
Intangibles ( inspirational, hardworking, aura ) -10%

Just like in the Digest, Pinoy-style. Lets just start with the early PBA stars since they are familiar to most posters here.:D

rolour
Jul 13, 2008, 08:48 AM
Just curious : Who's better Jawo or Atoy?
Scoring - 20%
Playmaking- 20%
Defense- 20%
Rebounding - 20%
Leadership-10%
Intangibles ( inspirational, hardworking, aura ) -10%


Scoring - Atoy
Playmaking- Jawo
Defense- Jawo
Rebounding - Jawo
Leadership- Jawo
Intangibles - Jawo

Wow.. no contest. It's Jawo by a mile :clapclap: :thumb .

moody erum
Jul 13, 2008, 07:51 PM
I'am an Atoy fan. I'am a Crispa fan. I always cheered for Atoy and Crispa ( there must be something about teams who wear green, even though I'am not good at green jokes ). But I have always respected Jawo as well. I always dreaded seeing him with the ball. I was always worried for Crispa when Jawo reported to the scorer's table. Even when injured, Jawo always had me worried when he played against Crispa, and later for Ginebra against Purefoods ( Jolas and Co.).

With that said, while Atoy will always be my favorite PBA player, I grudgingly admit, Jawo was better. I would have scored it as RG did ( with all due respect to Rino ).

Crispa has the better record than Toyota. That's why basketball is, was, and always will be a team sport.

One irritant I didn't like with Atoy though - he would sometimes be left behind in the frontcourt while his man ( usually Jawo )scores on the other end, because he was still complaining with the ref.:???:

Just imagine if Jawo didn't have a run-in with Crispa management ( his original Pro team in the MICAA ) and we had a Jaworski - Co backcourt?

I'am interested to read Rino's and Ice's and Rob's and Theophilus' comments, if and when they get around to post.:thumb

moody erum
Jul 15, 2008, 08:22 PM
OK, forgot I asked about your Co-Jawo opinion guys.

In Recah Trinidad's column yesterday ( Phil Inq ), he says that "James Yap is a shoo-in for the RP National Track team."

Last week, in a Talk and Text vs. Purefoods game, TnT'S 6'9 import Terence Leather threw the ball at Purefood's pf Jondan Salvador, and sparked a free-for-all. James Yap, the Purefoods star and pride of Negros kicked Leather in the butt. When Leather turned around, Yap scampered, actually made a full sprint away from Leather. If you saw it on tv ( as I did ), you could see the terror in Yap's eyes and the way he ran away.

If the NBA has Carmelo "The Human Backpedal", I still don't know what to call James Yap.

I don't condone fighting of course. But I agree with Recah, you don't start a fight then run away. Kung isog ka tapungulay ta. Kung hadluk ka, don't start a fight. Yap, being the star and captain, could have been the pacifier. Instead, nagpakita nga isog kuno, pag-atubang kontra, dalagan palayo. If it was timed, it could have broken the RP record for a 50-M dash! That's how scared he was. Isog ka man bala? Gin-sipa mo, dalagan ka?:???:

Recah goes on to say - "Badion, Melencio, Reynoso, Jaworski, to name only four - who never turned their back at the height of man-sized confrontation."

"You need not do a poll to agree that the sight of Yap scampering after having kicked someone from the back did not sit well with the masa."

"In fact, there were taunts that, in Yap's case, he could be readily considered for the national track and field team."#-o

"But with the sprinting gifts he had accidentally exposed in beating a hasty retreat, Yap may be a shoo-in for Go Teng Kok's army of sprinters."

Quotes are from Recah Trinidad's column "Bare Eye" published in the Philippine Daily Inquirer July 15, 2008.

rolour
Jul 19, 2008, 06:16 PM
OK, forgot I asked about your Co-Jawo opinion guys.

In Recah Trinidad's column yesterday ( Phil Inq ), he says that "James Yap is a shoo-in for the RP National Track team."

Last week, in a Talk and Text vs. Purefoods game, TnT'S 6'9 import Terence Leather threw the ball at Purefood's pf Jondan Salvador, and sparked a free-for-all. James Yap, the Purefoods star and pride of Negros kicked Leather in the butt. When Leather turned around, Yap scampered, actually made a full sprint away from Leather. If you saw it on tv ( as I did ), you could see the terror in Yap's eyes and the way he ran away.

If the NBA has Carmelo "The Human Backpedal", I still don't know what to call James Yap.

I don't condone fighting of course. But I agree with Recah, you don't start a fight then run away. Kung isog ka tapungulay ta. Kung hadluk ka, don't start a fight. Yap, being the star and captain, could have been the pacifier. Instead, nagpakita nga isog kuno, pag-atubang kontra, dalagan palayo. If it was timed, it could have broken the RP record for a 50-M dash! That's how scared he was. Isog ka man bala? Gin-sipa mo, dalagan ka?:???:

Recah goes on to say - "Badion, Melencio, Reynoso, Jaworski, to name only four - who never turned their back at the height of man-sized confrontation."

"You need not do a poll to agree that the sight of Yap scampering after having kicked someone from the back did not sit well with the masa."

"In fact, there were taunts that, in Yap's case, he could be readily considered for the national track and field team."#-o

"But with the sprinting gifts he had accidentally exposed in beating a hasty retreat, Yap may be a shoo-in for Go Teng Kok's army of sprinters."

Quotes are from Recah Trinidad's column "Bare Eye" published in the Philippine Daily Inquirer July 15, 2008.

100 meter dash pwede ni si James Yap - kahuluya' ha ha :sneer: :sneer: . Carmelo is actually deserving of a Medal Of Valor compared to this :mrgreen: :brick .

G4qPv3lCcSE

moody erum
Aug 11, 2008, 08:11 PM
Just in case you are interested to know these. I know Perry still has some interest in PBA News. So here goes :

1. Ginebra was the big winner in individual awards this Fiesta Conference. Best Player of the Conference is Ginebra point guard Jay-jay Helterbrand. Best Import Awardee is 7'1 Ginebra Import Chris Alexander. Incidentally, this is the 5th time in PBA history that a Ginebra Import received the Award - Michael Hackett in '85, Jamie Waller in '88, Carlos Briggs in '89, and Wes Matthews in '91. Its been 17 years.

2. Ginebra and Air 21 are playing in the Finals, with Air 21 holding a 2-1 lead after Helterbrand was not fielded in for Game 3 due to a hamstring pull. Air 21's Import, 6'9 Steven Thomas also completely outplayed Alexander. Also, Air 21's small forward, 6'6 KG Canaleta had a good game with 17 points punctuated by 5 for 5 3-point shooting, with 4 of them coming on the crucial run to assure the win.

3. Long-time Philippine ( Cebu ) resident and ex-Presto Import ( 1st and 2nd Conference of 1979 ) Darryl Smith has died last week. Smith succumbed to a heart attack right after playing in a commercial league game in Cebu. Smith is married to a Cebuana and has never left RP since his Import days. He was 51 when he passed away and still active in the Cebu minor commercial leagues as playing coach. He was 6'8.

Trivia : When famous fan "Lola Crispa" died a few years ago, Atoy Co rounded up his ex-Crispa mates to go to the wake. When they arrived at the wake and signed their names in the guest book - they were surprised to see the signatures of Robert Jaworski, Ramon Fernandez, and Ed Cordero ahead of theirs. The Tamaraws had paid "Lola Crispa" an earlier visit. That's what friends and respected enemies mean.

rolour
Aug 11, 2008, 08:24 PM
I think they're showing the PBA live here (U.S.) now through ANC (ABS-CBN News Channel).

moody erum
Aug 13, 2008, 10:26 AM
That's good. I don't have to update you guys anymore. Now we could discuss the PBA like we do the NBA. Fair enough?

rolour
Aug 13, 2008, 10:38 AM
That's good. I don't have to update you guys anymore. Now we could discuss the PBA like we do the NBA. Fair enough?

The only downside is the time difference. Most of the time, I am at work when the games are played. And they don't show replays :sad: .

Theophilus
Aug 13, 2008, 10:42 AM
The only downside is the time difference. Most of the time, I am at work when the games are played. And they don't show replays http://www.medskul.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif .

My problem is even worse. In our place, we have no Filipino channel included sa subscription package sang cable. Daw indi New Jersey ba. :2oops:

rolour
Aug 13, 2008, 12:17 PM
My problem is even worse. In our place, we have no Filipino channel included sa subscription package sang cable. Daw indi New Jersey ba. :2oops:

Time to switch to DirecTV pre... :wink:

Theophilus
Aug 13, 2008, 03:33 PM
Time to switch to DirecTV pre... http://www.medskul.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

I have thought of that but our cable, internet and phone connections are tied up as one package deal #-o

Theophilus
Aug 13, 2008, 03:40 PM
Recah goes on to say - "Badion, Melencio, Reynoso, Jaworski, to name only four - who never turned their back at the height of man-sized confrontation."


Another reason aside from "kaisog" is simply the passion for basketball these players had. To them, at least it looked like basketball was life come hell or high water.

moody erum
Aug 17, 2008, 12:34 AM
Also it was pride at being Pinoy. No foreigner steps on a Pinoy. The celebrated skirmishes of those guys were against opposing countries' players at the Olympics, the Asiad, or the ABC. Or against imports in the PBA. They never backed down. The RP Teams were always the shortest but the feistiest in those Tourneys. Now, the pa-pogi prevails more when it comes to our present National Teams and PBA stars. Now, they either look like trackstars or the superhero Flash when an import tries to fight them.:sad:

moody erum
Aug 19, 2008, 08:19 PM
Actually, it is China who is trying to catch the Philippines in Olympic Basketball:
*China is trying to surpass the Philippines' 7 straight Olympic appearances.

*China is trying to surpass the highest finish by any Asian country ( held by the Philippines )in Olympic basketball - 5th. The highest finish by China is only 8th. No other Asian country has finished higher than 8th in Olympic basketball competitions. Except of course the Philippines.

rolour
Aug 20, 2008, 10:18 AM
On this day and age of J.R. Holden and Kaman the German, maybe it's time for the Philippines to go back to the Engelland-Moore-Still formula?

I have no problem with players (or people in general) seeking another nationality "for convenience". But I wonder how much Russia's J.R. Holden and WNBA's Hammon got in terms of compensation. J.R. Holden's Russian nationality was via a special order (by Putin) and Becky Hammon's Olympic dream was negotiated by an agent (first with Team USA then Russia).

I also find Chris Kaman playing for Germany a little bit funny. You play for Germany just because your great grandparents are Germans? His own father does not even cheer for him. He couldn't speak a sentence in German and has not visited Germany before. Unless you're a native American, your ancestors came from somewhere else. Maybe if you're a U.S. player who has no chance to play in the Olympics, you start tracing your family tree, Ireland may end up with an Olympic team :smile2: .

Again, I have no problem with it. Freedom, life, and the pursuit of happiness. God bless the free world :thumb .

moody erum
Aug 20, 2008, 08:39 PM
The Philippines is tapping the Fil-Ams and Fil-Foreigners source. At least they are partly Filipino. But yes, in a free world and free enterprise, basketball mercenaries are a reality.:thumb

moody erum
Aug 31, 2008, 06:50 AM
Just in case you don't know yet, the Ginebra Gin Kings won the Fiesta Cup Championship in a dramatic 7th game. With 4 key players injured, they overcame the young Air 21 team. Eric Menk and Ilonggo Ronald Tubid ( from Oton and UI High, UE Warriors in the UAAP ) were co-MVPs.

Air 21 is reportedly keen on hiring Sonny Jaworski as head coach or as team consultant.

moody erum
Sep 01, 2008, 06:51 AM
The RP Youth Team is currently competing in the Asian Youth Tournament in Teheran, Iran. They beat Chinese-Taipei 106-105 in triple OT in their first game. They lost to Lebanon in their 2nd. Then they won 73-54 over UAE last night to advance to the quarterfinals. As usual, Team RP has the shortest line-up in this 18- Under Tournament, with only Fil-Canadian center Norberto Torres at 6'5 and Philip Paredes at 6'4. Their top guns , aside from Torres, are Samuel Joseph Marata 5'10 point guard and the son of Ric-Ric, and Gabriel Banal 6'1 off-guard, the son of Joel. Alvin Teng's son is an alternate.

Incidentally, the big stars in the UAAP today are the sons of David Zamar, Dante Gonzalgo, and Ato Agustin.

Also, Christian Cabatu ( La Salle ) was a top ten pick in lastnight's PBA Draft ( son of Sonny Cabatu ).

The number 1 pick in the PBA Draft was Gabe Norwood of George Mason U. ( Rain or Shine ) and number 2 was Jared Dillinger of Univ of Hawaii ( Talk and Text ). Number 3 was Fil-Puerto Rican Solomon Mercado.

Obvious? Its the second generation now in the PBA, and the Fil-Foreigners are top picks for the 4th straight year. Something your sons there in the US can shoot for and become millionaires. NBA? Its up to you parents.:thumb

moody erum
Sep 02, 2008, 08:29 PM
The RP Youth Team lost to the quick, tall, good-shooting South Koreans, 98-80. Now, Team RP has to beat tough Japan and even tougher host team Iran. BTW, RP Youth coach is LaSalle coach Franz Pumaren.

This is not a pouty reaction. You know me. But after the Youth Tourney, I'am retiring this thread that I started. As in business, kun gina-langawan ka man lang, close shop. I know you are being polite, but nobody really is interested in RP Hoops anymore.

On with the quarters. Team RP would be lucky to get into the semis. The last time we won in under-18 play was in 1982. Now two members of that team has gone to the great beyond ( Teddy Alfarero, center, and Alfie Almario, shooting forward ) and their captain, Hector Calma, is a paunchy GM in San Mig with a star guard son in the UAAP.:wink:

rolour
Sep 02, 2008, 09:16 PM
This is not a pouty reaction. You know me. But after the Youth Tourney, I'am retiring this thread that I started. As in business, kun gina-langawan ka man lang, close shop. I know you are being polite, but nobody really is interested in RP Hoops anymore.


Well, that's just sad Moods. I, for one, reads this with interest. And I am pretty sure others as well but they just don't post. I know it's a Forum but the sad reality is most just read and keep their opinion to themselves or they don't have any opinion at all on this subject (like me). That's the 'newspaper' mentality. Well, it's still your choice to post or not :wink: .

moody erum
Sep 03, 2008, 07:53 PM
I agree and understand.

The RP Youth team kissed their medal chances goodbye, losing to Japan. The game against Iran will just be for pride.

Gabe Norwood ( Rain or Shine, nee Welcoat ) and Jared Dillinger ( Talk and Text ) have been signed to the maximum allowable Phil P8.7 M 3-year contracts.

In the PBA, the rookie minimum is P30,000 a month, and the rookie max is P150,000 a month. The shortest allowable contract is 1 month, the longest is 3 years. The maximum allowable salary increase is 50% of a player's last contract.

In Norwood and Dillinger's case its - P150,000 a month for the 1st year, P225,000 a month for the 2nd year, and 350,000 a month for the 3rd year. Should they do well and re-sign for a max 3-year contract on their 4th year, its the max per month they will receive.

Not bad. By the way, the 3rd pick in the draft ( I stand corrected ) was Rob Reyes, a Fil-Am and nephew of ex-PBA player Eric Reyes, 4th was Jason Castro who is presently playing and impressing at the Australian NBL ( Singapore Slingers ), and Solomon Mercado was 5th. So, in the first 5 picks, only 1 is homegrown - Castro of the Philippine Christian U. Dolphins.

Norwood of course played for RP in the FIBA -Asia and has completed the required 1 year play in the PBL to qualify for the Draft. His mom is Pinay. Dillinger also has a Pinay mom and is completing his required local play but is qualified for the PBA Draft, in the Liga Filipina. There are two other Fil-Ams playing in the Liga right now so they can qualify for the PBA Draft next year.

rolour
Sep 04, 2008, 01:21 PM
I wonder how these Fil-Ams look. Daw Pinoy man? :D I just remember years ago when there was a rush of these Fil-Ams or Fil-Shams as they were known then. There was this "Alvarado" who tried to pass himself as a Fil-Am but didn't have a drop of Pinoy blood in him. I think he was believable with his last name which is actually a very common Hispanic name. Some team took a chance. I couldn't blame the team. Basi pa man lang ya paryente ni Max :mrgreen: .

moody erum
Sep 04, 2008, 08:31 PM
The RP Youth team surprised the host team Iran, winning 85-84 in their last quarterfinals game. They will meet ousted defending Champion China for 5th place.

As to RG'S question - Norwood and Dillinger have REAL Pinay mothers, but they don't look Pinoy at all. Norwood looks like his dad, an African-American and stands 6'4. Dillinger looks like his white American father, is 6'5, and played both guard spots at the Univ of Hawaii and therefore coveted by PBA Teams because he can play multiple positions in our local setting.

Fil-Shams will have a hard time "makalusot" anymore. Its because they have to get DOJ Recognitions now and their parents have to appear and their Philippine relatives. This explains the contingent of Norwood's cousins and aunts and uncles during his PBL games. Mother's-side. Pride na pride. Also, Fil-Foreigners have to establish "residency" by playing at least a year in the Liga or the PBL, or play college ball here, before they are qualified for the PBA Draft, even if their Filipino lineage is unquestionnable.

Rob Reyes is pure-Filipino by blood who's parents just migrated to the US, but was born here. He looks Pinoy like Caguioa and Helterbrand. Solomon Mercado is 6'1 and has a Pinay mom and Puerto Rican dad, he played college ball in the US.

There are three Fil-Canadians in the RP Youth Team, all planning to play college ball here sa 'Pinas, all aiming to be in the PBA.

Caguiao and Helterbrand are considered the top backcourt this season in the PBA. Caguioa was topscorer in the league among locals ( 22.9 ppg ) and Helterbrand the top in assists and also scored 18.6 ppg. Co and Fabiosa were also good. And that other pair from Toyota.:wink:

moody erum
Sep 06, 2008, 03:19 AM
The RP Youth Team lost badly to the Chinese Youth Team, 86-63. They fought hard but the Davids lost steam against the Goliaths. Its hard to compete when you make a 6'5, 6'4, 6'1 frontline take on two 7-footers and a 6'10. A backcourt of 5'10 and 5'11 against a 6'8 and 6'4 is hard to overcome, unless they are Calvin Murphy and Tiny Archibald. So, the RP Team plays Lebanon for their last game - to determine 7th place.

moody erum
Sep 07, 2008, 08:05 AM
The RP Youth Team got back at the Lebanese and won 74-63 to take 7th place. They lost by 3 points to the same team in the eliminations. Host Iran won the FIBA - Asia Junior Championships by beating Kazakhstan in the Finals. Syria won the Bronze over Japan and booked the last slot to the 2009 FIBA - World Under-19 Championships in New Zealand. Ousted Champs China beat South Korea for 5th place. The RP Youth finished with a 4-4 record.

This team, while being small and short, fought hard and earned the respect of the foreign coaches. These are also future PBA stars. And, nobody cheated. All were 16-18 years old.

BTW, Jason Castro was named the MVP in the Brunei Sultan's Cup after leading his team, the NBL's Singapore Slingers, to the crown. However, the Slingers have quit the NBL in the meantime, and Castro has been signed to the max allowable PBA contract of Phil P8.7 M, 3-year contract, by Talk and Text, who picked him in the PBA Draft. This just proves once again that the best hope of a Pinoy making it to the NBA or Europe is not a "6'8 Samboy", but a small man, a point guard. Castro's impressive showing had him receive European offers from the scouts who watch the NBL.

BTW II - maybe you guys in the US could still remember them, Purefood's Rey Evangelista and Noy Castillo, are retiring at the end of this PBA season. Evangelista is an ex-UST star, member of the UST team that won 5 straight ( he played on 3 ) UAAP crowns with Edmund Reyes and Bal David. He played 13 years in the PBA. Noy Castillo is the pure Pinoy who migrated to the US and played for The Citadel and is the only Pinoy in history to ever lead the US NCAA Div I in three-point shooting. He was a member of the 1998 RP Centennial team that won the Bronze in the Asian Games, and the 2002 team that finished 4th, also in the Asian Games.

And, as Evangelista and Castillo retire, I do too, in this thread only. It has been a nice ride for me here since I started this thread on March 15, 2007. I have totally enjoyed reminding you guys of your Pinoy roots and Pinoy hoops. The memories are awesome. The coming days and years surely enjoyable, at least for me. I recommend the PBA website and the PhilStar Sportspages if you somehow feel the unlikely urge to read about Pinoy hoops.

In a way, I feel lucky that while I can be updated and follow the NBA easily, I can also do so with Pinoy hoops. Right now its the UAAP Season. Yesterday it was Ateneo-LaSalle, with Ateneo winning. 20,000 fans filled the Big Dome, and it was an elimination game. The PBA also made a new record with 23,000+ fans in one game, game 7 of the Ginebra-Air21 Finals, breaking the 22,800+ established by Crispa-Toyota in the early '80s.

As they say, there will always be a last flight, a last post. I have enjoyed the ride. But I believe the thread has had its time. Ciao!:thumb

rolour
Sep 09, 2008, 12:33 PM
Also, Fil-Foreigners have to establish "residency" by playing at least a year in the Liga or the PBL, or play college ball here, before they are qualified for the PBA Draft, even if their Filipino lineage is unquestionnable.


I am just guessing but one of the possible reasons of this "residency" requirement may be to properly scout these players. I don't think a team or college is willing to send or pay to scout Fil-Ams in U.S. high schools. That is, if they even play high school ball in the U.S. I am not saying they couldn't but it's tough to excel in ranked U.S. high-schools, for example, in the Chicago-area where the likes of Dwayne Wade, Kevin Garnett, Tim Hardaway, among others, came from. Besides, if they are really good in high school, they can be recruited to play in U.S. colleges and that, IMO, is a better exposure.

I have to qualify "Fil-Ams" because pure-bred Pinoys in the U.S. are just content with playing in Fil-leagues here (where they play against fellow Pinoys) because of height issues :wink: . And that will hardly bring you to the bigtime. I have a co-worker who plays as an "import" (he is Irish-Thai) in one of the local Fil-Am leagues and mentioned that one of his Pinoy teammates went to the Philippines to play semi-pro (I assume then it was the MBA). After about 2 years, the Pinoy, according to my co-worker, did not quite make it and came back to the U.S. all thin and wasted. It turned out, he did not only play semi-pro, he also became a shabu-addict #-o.

ice
Oct 06, 2008, 11:41 PM
i can't resist to give my opinion on this matter that affects our National Team, so i "resurrect" this thread. actually moody opened this bag of worms on the boarding house thread. this is about the position f the BCAP (basketball coaches association) regarding foreign coaches. as everyone knows they don't want some foreigner to coach any team in the Philippines, not only the National Team. their position is based on the fact that they said we have all the bright coaches in the land and a foreign coach will get a job from a filipino coach.:-k

that's the reason why they protested the hirings of Tom Woolpert and Bill Bayno, even Ron Jacobs in the PBA. now comes this hiring of RajkoToroman, who credential wise is very much capable. the first person to protest is no less Yeng Guiao, the chosen coach for the senior team to be put up by the PBA. he was so concerned that Toroman will usurp him in the end. #-o

now my position is this. because of this "patriotic" thinking of our coaches, they add more to the misery of basketball in the Philippines. why protest the hiring of the foreign coaches in the PBA and national team, then allow Norman Black and Tim Cone to coach. instead of learning from this foreign coaches, they stick to their own "kalye" coaching. :evil:

instead of going forward and learning from the past, they went backwards. they should have learned from the formula of the NCC team put up by Danding Cojuangco before, that is hiring Ron Jacobs have this young guys learn a different aproach to the game. if you asked the Caidics, Lims, Calma, Pumarens (exception is Franz unsportsmanlike comments after the UAAP finals, which is another story), and all the guys who were under the NCC program who inspired them more, they will tell you it's the teaching of coach ron.:thumb

before China became the basketball toast of Asia, the Philippines was lording it over the opposition. but now that China, Iran, and other countries learned from that NCC formula of hiring a foreign coach, they improved by leaps and bounds. and the RP team? they slide to oblivion because of this backward thinking of our officials:evil:

heck, even the NBA is learning from that NCC formula. the Miami Heat hired Erik Spoelstra, a filipino for their coach....hehehe

rolour
Oct 07, 2008, 03:44 PM
I think BCAP is just trying to protect the job of its members, members who, if they're not coaching, couldn't do anything else and be jobless. Then again, if you're competent at what you do, why worry? Maybe you're not, so make way for Del Harris... :mrgreen:

moody erum
Oct 08, 2008, 10:08 AM
BCAP is serious about this, they are threatening to sue the SBP and Toroman if and when he does get to be appointed National Team coach. But, they can't right now, since Toroman is being hired as Project Director to oversee the Philippines' bid to qualify for the 2012 London Olympics, not as coach. So there's no case as yet. But his contract with SBP is 3 years, thus Yeng's apprehensions. But for the moment, and until at least the 2009 FIBA-Asia competitions ( to determine the qualifiers for the 2010 World Championships ), Yeng is the official and real National coach of the PBA-backed RP Team.

In case you are wondering, I appreciate Perry's "resurrection" of this thread. RP Hoops, despite everything, is dear to me. I know its inferior to NBA hoops. NBA discards and "has beens" end up here, but still I love it. The worst NBA team can bamboozle the best PBA team, but still I love it. So, as long as there are worthwhile topics, like Perry's BCAP-SBP topic, I don't mind getting out of retirement and exercising my .1% chance of coming back to Pilipinas Basketball.:thumb

moody erum
Oct 08, 2008, 07:56 PM
Its easy to immediately brand the BCAP as having "crab mentality", hadluk malabwan, threatened, etc. But read on and decide.

Legally, BCAP does have a basis - the DOLE in 2004 passed a law that "Foreigners cannot coach in the Philippines unless they have a new method that no Filipino coach can teach, or a new technology that only the foreign coach can teach."

Or why our physicians cannot practice in the US, no reciprocity. No matter how high-falutin a diplomate or fellow or sub-specialist or President of whatever specialty society you are sa 'Pinas, you wash test tubes in America, unless you pass the USMLE, get matched, train again, become a PGI again before that, etc. But that's another story.

This rule was what the BCAP used to prevent Paul Woolpert, John Moran, and Bill Bayno from coaching in the PBA. It took away from the Pinoy coaches three head coaching jobs. The position of RP Team coach is said ( in the ruling ) to be "a position of singular honor reserved for a Filipino".

Yeng, being a past President of BCAP, is adamant in preserving this rule. He says it might just be a matter of time before Toroman will be appointed coach. Noli Eala, the exec director of SBP has confirmed this is the eventual aim. With this BCAP howl, maybe not at all.

The SBP position is - if your house is on fire, even if you have firefighting equipment, you don't prevent the real firemen from coming in and help, because they have better tools and training. They think Toroman has much to offer. He made it possible for Iran to qualify for its first ever Olympics in basketball, and a surprising 11th place finish out of 16 teams. This is a country that has no high school and college basketball programs, and National teams were just formed for the heck of it, but everything centers on soccer. Yet, when Toroman was hired to be Iran's coach, he scoured the country, won the FIBA-Asia, and went to the Olympics. He is an ex- Serbian basketball team coach. So, after his contract with Iran was finished, RP wasted no time in offering him to ran our basketball program, and he accepted, with the giant corporations pitching in for his salaries and ( rumored in the papers ) upwards of P50M for the basketball program.

The BCAP position is - we don't need a foreign coach to ran our program. We already know the most glaring fact, its not coaching and talent we lack, its height and heft. As Yeng says, if Toroman has the technology to grow 7-foot Pinoys, or the technology to make a 6'5 Pinoy center beat a 7-footer, then hire him. But we have good coaches already, its tall and big players we need. Since International basketball rules allow two naturalized players per team, the BCAP says, the money we will spend on Toroman can easily get us two tall foreigners to be naturalized, plus search for more tall Fil-Foreigners, than hiring a foreign coach, since a foreign coach, no matter how tall he is, is beyond his playing years and won't be playing. Its players we need who can match-up to the tall international players, not foreign coaches.

As they say, there are two sides to a coin. Kun mamati ka maayo, may punto ang duha ka sides.:thumb

rolour
Oct 08, 2008, 10:19 PM
Well, can't really compare doctors and coaches. Doctors have to go to school, residency, pass the boards, etc. Coaches just need experience and deliver results to prove competence. You don't need a diploma of any kind. If this Toroman delivered results for Iran, why not let him prove his worth for the RP team? The RP coaches have not delivered anything anyway. If you want to win, set aside pride and try some other things.

Honestly, I haven't heard of this Toroman until this thread. But it's not a wonder why Iran hired him instead of, say, Guiao.

I do understand Guiao's point that it's not coaching and talent the RP team lacks, it's height and heft. Well, stop funneling millions into basketball and try some other sport where height and heft are not requirements.

Or as I have posted elsewhere, resurrect the Moore-Still-Engelland formula (unless you can get Bonel Balingit and Ruffa Gutierrez to procreate :mrgreen: ). And as long as the true Pinoy players promise not to file any protest :wink: .

rolour
Oct 09, 2008, 11:32 AM
The BCAP position is - we don't need a foreign coach to ran our program. We already know the most glaring fact, its not coaching and talent we lack, its height and heft. As Yeng says, if Toroman has the technology to grow 7-foot Pinoys, or the technology to make a 6'5 Pinoy center beat a 7-footer, then hire him. But we have good coaches already, its tall and big players we need. Since International basketball rules allow two naturalized players per team, the BCAP says, the money we will spend on Toroman can easily get us two tall foreigners to be naturalized, plus search for more tall Fil-Foreigners, than hiring a foreign coach, since a foreign coach, no matter how tall he is, is beyond his playing years and won't be playing. Its players we need who can match-up to the tall international players, not foreign coaches.


If I have to follow BCAP's logic, then I or Moody or Rob or Ice can coach the RP team. I don't think hiring foreign (and proven, competent) coaches necessarily undermines local coaches. It's called trying a new approach, to see if it works. Besides, it's not just coaching you hire so-called consultants for. They run the entire program (or implement one). Like Duke is paying Coach K to run their program. Or Oklahoma U paying the football coach $4M to run the entire program starting from scouting and recruitment. Or Russians paying Blatt, Iran paying Toroman, etc. In their cases, it paid dividends. It may or may not work for RP but who knows.

Just my opinion and just blame it on me being so out-of-touch, but maybe the reason RP is now lagging way behind other Asian countries in a sport it once ruled is because of BCAP and the pride of its coaches.

moody erum
Oct 10, 2008, 08:52 PM
I 'am not in complete agreement with any side. As I said, both have their good points. My personal position would be to follow the original plan of letting Yeng coach the All-PBA RP Team to the 2009 FIBA-Asia ( he already will ), with Toroman as the Consultant/Project Director. Then base future decisions on the 2009 FIBA-Asia results as to who best will coach in 2010 ( if we qualify for the Worlds ), or the 2011 FIBA-Asia for qualification to the 2012 Olympics.

Jacobs, without argument was an excellent coach. He was the first, or one of the first, to bat for a scientific approach to basketball. He started the practice of training coaches in a formal way, not just the "kalye" style. He was probably better than the average Pinoy college or amateur coach at that time. He was probably better than the best Pro coaches at that time - like Dalupan or Manotoc or Jawo - who, in fairness, were not allowed to coach amateur hoops since Open basketball came about only after the 1988 Olympics.

But Jacobs too subscribed to the idea that in order for RP to compete, naturalization was the route. In fact, the very first RP Team formed by Jacobs, the 1981 team, had 8 Americans, 2 Fil-Ams ( Willie Pearson and Ricardo Brown ), and only two Filipinos ( Frankie Lim and J.B. Yango, both of the champion San Beda Red Lions ). This team had a starting five of 7'0 Peter Schall at center, 6'8 Dennis Still, 6'3 Jeff Moore, 6'1 Eddie Joe Chavez, and 6'0 Ricky Brown. This team won the 1981 Jones Cup and trounced opponents by an average of 30 points and beat the US NCAA Div I All-Stars by 20 points in the Finals. But Pinoys did not accept this team since the Americans won it for us, with the two Pinoys riding the bench ( now I know I'am pure Pinoy ).:smile2:

But when Jacobs had to form a truly Pinoy team, he retained Dennis Still and Jeff Moore, and got Chip Engelland to add to his Pinoy players. This was , as he said, to match-up Internationally. He also believed that the Pinoys had enough talent, but would lose games because they were small.:wink:

ice
Oct 10, 2008, 09:56 PM
i do agree with naturalization. Coach Ron did that in the past and again, almost every country have followed his scheme. just look at Germany and Russia with their American born players. :wink:

but i'm totally upset by the paranoia of the BCAP of usurpation and losing jobs to foreigners. much less their pronouncement that they will only allow Toroman to be coach if he can present his program and they think is better than that of BCAP. my goodness, Toroman will just present his program that made unknown Iran an olympic qualifier and that would be end of story. who among the BCAP's coaches brought this country from it's long gone obscurity in basketball?:evil:

rolour
Oct 13, 2008, 01:26 PM
I have no problem with naturalization either. That is, if we really want to win. If we are too nationalistic and go with an all-Pinoy plus a few Fil-Ams lineup and still lose, then let's stop whining and accept the fact that we may never be a basketball powerhouse again. As mentioned, Germany, Russia and Australia showcased naturalized citizens in the Olympics just to keep up with the world, even though they are basketball powerhouses already. I had a little laugh with Kaman the German but I didn't really disagree with what he did (or what Becky Hammon did). Besides, didn't we use naturalized citizens even before Moore, Engelland and Still? Isn't Jaworski Polish? Or Lim Eng Beng Chinese? What about Samboy Lim? I heard rumors that Nick Bulaong is from Mongolia :mrgreen: (okay, that's a joke). I guess my point is, if they allow it, take advantage of it.

Way back in 1986 after the RP team (with Ron Jacobs and 3 naturalized players) won the Jones Cup, columnist Fred Luarca (bless his soul) of SportsFlash (or was it Champ?) wrote "What of an empty feeling?" Or something like that. He wrote he never felt any national pride because the team obviously won because of the non-Filipinos. I disagreed with Luarca then so my position hasn't changed. Just to make sure nobody insinuates that I am having this position now because I moved to the U.S. and I am less-Filipino, etc. Not at all. I even used "we" in my posts :smile2: .

ice
Oct 13, 2008, 05:36 PM
the problem with us pinoys is that, we like to insert players in the line-up even if it's not legal before. but now that it's legal, we became nationalistic "kuno....:evil:

rolour
Oct 19, 2008, 03:58 PM
I was channel-surfing today while waiting for the Bears game and I chanced upon PBA's Team Greats before Team Legends on TFC. The Greats were coached by Jawo while the Legends were coached by Baby Dalupan. I am sure this was a replay but quite a nostalgia. All the players were from "my time". Fernandez, Cesar, Hubalde, Adornado, Paner, Lim Eng Beng, Patrimonio, Abarientos, Samboy Lim, Meneses, Calma, Paras, Magsanoc, etc... Nakalantaw man gid ta PBA ba... :smile2: .

moody erum
Nov 24, 2008, 07:52 AM
Thought I'd post these :

* Alaska Milk Aces recorded their 700th PBA win 25 years after joining the PBA.

* The other teams who have achieved the 700-wins mark are San Miguel ( in 1999 after 25 years ) and Ginebra after 29 years, I think last year.

* The RP Team's search for a naturalized player has began in earnest, scouting all over the world, and a very big budget and compensation package. The works. Early applicants include Michael ( I think ) Closs, a 7'3 ex-Clipper who broke David Robinson's record for blocked shots in the US NCAA Div I, and led the NBDL in blocks last season. The drawback is his scoring and age. He is already 32 and will be 35 in 2011 and 36 in 2012. There are 3 more applicants I forgot the names, one is Nigerian. The inside track,so far, is Terrance Gamble ( lipat ko school ya ), a 6'10 college star, only because he is young at 25, and will be 29 in 2012. This is where Toroman is most important. Although, kadamo pa players to look at. They plan to get two, in case of injuries.

* A proposal by the SBP that all ten PBA teams will have one naturalized player each, is not likely to be passed. The reasoning is that, if this happens, there would be ten naturalized players at any time for the RP Team's disposal. But of course, there is a lot of opposition to this, and the PBA is afraid of public acceptance. So, it is mining the Fil-Am source again.

moody erum
Jan 01, 2009, 11:14 AM
The RP Developmental Team made up of the country's top amateurs won the CBO - ASEAN Invitational Cup in Guanxi, China. They beat China in the Finals 76-72. Team China was bannered by 5 National Team members ( without Yao, Sun Yue, and Jianlin of course ) and members of the Chinese Youth Team. The RP team was coached by Rajko Toroman. Seems there is progress. As Toroman said, "We were not expecting to win anything immediately. I just wanted my young players to get exposure. But this is a welcome win. It means not all hope is lost for Philippine basketball. My players were the smallest, but they had the biggest hearts.":thumb

moody erum
Jan 01, 2009, 11:53 AM
That RP Team victory was played at the jam-packed Pinggou Arena in Guanxi, China. RP was led by 5'10 Fil-Am point guard Joey Deas ( PBL ) with 19 points, and 5'9 guard Mark Barroca ( FEU ) with 18. Their very young 6'11 center Greg Slaughter ( UV Cebu ) had 9 pts, 4 rebs, and very importantly, 4 blocks.

While the RP squad was outrebounded 44-33, they played tenacious defense and limited China to only 2 for 15 from three-point land and caused 14 turnovers that they converted into fastbreak points. Kun kita nyo lang, kadasig sa aton mga players, ubo-ubo ang Chinese. Smart passing and very good outside shooting pa, especially from the two guards mentioned, and both 6'3 forwards Dylan Ababou ( UST ) and Rogie Menor ( San Beda ). Good coaching, if I may, with all due respect to BCAP.

Best of all, SMART ( the chief backer of the team ) has assured all players that they will match all pro offers to any player, so as to keep the team intact for at least 3 years. Toroman has expressed his wish to add 6'10 Gian Chui ( kun indi mag med school dayon ) and Peter Aguilar's 6'9 son to the team.

SBP Exec Director Noli Eala said, "It was tough playing in front of a hostile crowd and with those conditions. This win is special. Its not everyday you win against China in their own turf.":thumb

And, guess who was just added to the RP Under-16 Squad to the U-16 FIBA Asia? 15-year old, 6'4 Fil-Am combo guard Ray-Ray Parks. Its his Pinoy Mom's idea I'am sure to have a Pinoy's penchant to give a child a name that has to be repeated twice. But his Dad Bobby Parks is said to be praying very hard that his son do well. He is still growing. He can at least challenge those 6'4 and 6'8 point guards China paraded at Guanxi. Initial reports say he is very, very good.:thumb

rolour
Jan 01, 2009, 02:26 PM
The RP Developmental Team made up of the country's top amateurs won the CBO - ASEAN Invitational Cup in Guanxi, China. They beat China in the Finals 76-72. Team China was bannered by 5 National Team members ( without Yao, Sun Yue, and Jianlin of course ) and members of the Chinese Youth Team. The RP team was coached by Rajko Toroman. Seems there is progress. As Toroman said, "We were not expecting to win anything immediately. I just wanted my young players to get exposure. But this is a welcome win. It means not all hope is lost for Philippine basketball. My players were the smallest, but they had the biggest hearts.":thumb

So I guess hiring and paying Toroman is paying dividends. Not to take away the credit from the players but I'd like to think Toroman deserves some credit as well. There are unconfirmed internet postings that Toroman (the last name) is derived from the phrase "Turo' Man" which loosely translates to "The Teacher" :thumb . Maybe he is good for RP basketball after all, eh, BCAP? :smile2:

moody erum
Jan 20, 2009, 07:04 PM
For those who are still interested and don't find posting about RP Hoops a lame excuse to be able to post, here's something for you :

1. The ASEAN Basketball League ( ABL ) has been formed. It will be made up of professional teams maintained by private companies, like the J-League and PBA model. But it will be a home-and-away fomat. Each country can enter several teams if they want to. Each team will be reinforced by two naturalized imports and two Asian imports each. So, a Filipino can be an import for other teams kun kwa-on sya. No date was set for the opening.

2. Members of the RP Developmental Team ( to differentiate them from the PBA- laden RP Team ) have been offered 3-year contracts comparable, or better, than those they could get from the PBA. Ex. stars like Chris Tiu, Roger Menor, Mac Baracael, Enrico Maeirhoffer, will be signed to a P6.9M 3-year pacts, to stay as amateurs ( so these will be called allowances, not salaries, wala pa tax ). So, it would be about P2.3 per year. Others a little less, depending on their potential to get Pro contracts. One star has opted to have a 2-year contract with a 3rd-year option. Now, they are better "paid" than majority of those in the PBA, except the stars. And, these RP Team members will be given bonuses for winning, just like in the Pros. Attractive option to stay as an amateur indeed. Then, after 3 years of playing for the National Team, agawan pa ni sila sa PBA kay well-trained and battle-scarred na by the time they turn pro. Si Toroman pa. Next month they will go to Serbia to train and be a guest team in the Serbian Pro League.

BTW, lame excusers may skip this post. You don't have to read it. Unless of course, tapos mo na basa.:sneer:

rolour
Jan 21, 2009, 09:28 AM
I thought I banned that L-word already :mrgreen: ....

Anyway, they're calling P6.9M/3 years "allowance money"? :shock: I have nothing against it but they should consider giving a few hundreds to the boxers too, so they'll have 3 meals a day until the next Olympics.

moody erum
Jan 21, 2009, 07:24 PM
I meant two non-Asian and two Asian Imports per team.

The ABL was launched in Kuala Lumpur, but home-and-away ang format.

Commish Sonny Barrios of the PBA has already stated the PBA is not joining the ABL. He says he has no opposition if PBA member teams join on their own, with a separate team from their PBA team, but does not want to disrupt the PBA sked and players. What a L*** excuse Commish. Isa pa naman kita sa favorites tani.:sad:

Noli Eala of SBP however says RP will join because it is a league formed by the SEABA of which RP is a member, and RP has already signed an agreement that it would be in the forefront of basketball development in the SEA Region. It would also mean more employment opportunities. Sadya na man ni ang baisay sini.

The allowances are meant to keep the top amateurs from going to the Pros immediately, to keep them together for a long time para mas maayo, and to at least match the mid-level salary of a mid-level PBA player.

But I fully agree, do the same for boxing, tennis, soccer, wushu, badminton, ping-pong and other sports we have a chance, not just the sport we love the most.#-o

moody erum
Jan 23, 2009, 06:55 PM
Read yesterday at Phil Star - it will be the Toroman-coached RP Developmental Team who is being planned of to play in the ABL. But it will be part of their training, and they won't play with the allowed 4 imports. Maybe a naturalized player who will be a team member.

moody erum
Jan 25, 2009, 09:58 AM
Remember San Miguel power forward Alvin Teng? He of the 6'3 frame but big upper body who did the dirty work for the Grand Slam winning SMB Team of '88? His son, Jeric Teng, is now a high school star, playing for Xavier at the Tiong Lian High School Tourney. Jeric, at 6'1, plays off-guard/small forward 9 he's 15 years old ), and plays like Atoy Co. Amazingly, Jeric scored 52 points in their openimg game and then had 55 in their third game. He is finesse to his Dad's brute strength. In the early '70s, Atoy Co averaged 40 ppg in the Tiong Lian Tourney, was taken in by Mapua and still averaged 40 ppg, the rest is history.

The Tiong Lian brings together all the champion high school teams from each region every year, and our perennial representative is the Iloilo Chinese Commercial High School - James Yap ( Purefoods ) and Ken Bono ( Alaska ) are the prominent ICCHS alums.

moody erum
Jan 26, 2009, 10:48 AM
Last night in the PBA Philippine Cup Semis - the Talk and Text team won over the SMB Beermen and Alaska won over Sta Lucia, both series ending wins. So, its Talk and Text versus Alaska in the Philippine Cup Finals ( the All-Filipino actually ). Sta Lucia was the defending champion.

The significance of Sta Lucia's loss is that - no team has won back-to-back All-Filipino Titles since 1985. That's 24 years. The last team to win back-to-back All-Filipino crowns was Presto ( '84 and '85 ) with Baby D coaching Ricky Brown, Adornado, Joy Carpio, Jimmy Manansala, etc. Long time.

moody erum
Jan 31, 2009, 03:37 AM
7 players have aready signed their contracts with Pilipinas Basketball. The rest are sure to follow. Its a good deal if you ask me, dako sueldo, may bonuses for winning, you play for the country and travel extensively, you will play in the ASEAN Basketball League, and agawan ka sang mga PBA teams after.

Guess who will have a Reunion tonight in an upscale resto here sa 'Pinas? Its Jawo, Atoy Co, Bogs, Cezar, and the guy they tried to stop at all costs during the ABC and Asian Games - Shin Dong Pa. Shin is here to open an upscale condo that he co-owns. He is also a frequent visitor here and calls RP his 2nd home. He plans to buy a home here. He says Pinoys still treat him with a lot of respect and gives him big ovations when he attends PBA Games ( I have seen this too ).

Shin's thoughts on RP Hoops - " I believe the Pinoys are the best basketball players in Asia. But what has hurt them is their veering away from teamplay and a lot more on individual play. They imitate the NBA too much. They will never win again that way. Before, Pinoys were very good in individual skills and teamplay. Now, they are only good in individual play."

He has been holding clinics all over RP since the '80s and bilib siya sa talento sa mga Pinoy, but he points out that even if the RP Team always has better players than Korea man-for-man, we have been losing to them because of poor teamplay.

Amo ni hambal ni Anesth friend ta - "Aton mga players gapa-ulo-NBA-NBA abi, te pirde."

moody erum
Jan 31, 2009, 07:10 PM
Fun Trivia : SECONDS

1. Atoy Co was the first PBA player to score 5,000 points, who was the second?

2. Jaworski is number 1 on the all-time PBA assists list, who is second?

3. El Presidente is first on the all-time PBA rebounding list, who is second?

4. Gudaben is first in the PBA in all-time offensive rebounds, who is second?

5. Abbarientos is first on the all-time PBA steals list, who is second?

I know, nobody ( or almost nobody ) remembers second place. I also know that RG will answer the trivia first, then ako second. Bay-i da. I enjoy RP Hoops. RG too. Kun kami lang di ni RG, or ako lang, its fine with me.:thumb

rolour
Feb 01, 2009, 07:41 AM
How did you know nga ako mauna answer? he he :mrgreen: . Ma-delay pa ko tani dyutay pero wala' tsansa...

Lagpat lang ni tanan Moods...

1. Jawo
2. Fabiosa
3. Guidaben
4. Cesar
5. Bal David :mrgreen:

BTW, the PBA championship is being shown here. Time - 4:00 am :sad: .

moody erum
Feb 02, 2009, 10:30 AM
Of course RG, ikaw gid una, then ako second, kita man lang di mo.:smile2:

Answers :

1. Francis Arnaiz

2. Ramon Fernandez

3. Abet Guidaben

4. Ramon Fernandez

5. Ramon Fernandez

Good they show, at least, the PBA Finals. If ever you get up early for whatever reason, do try to watch even a quarter.:thumb

moody erum
Feb 10, 2009, 02:21 AM
Game 7 tomorrow at the Big Dome. It has come to this last game.

It has been quite a fight. Either team deserves to win. Kun puede lang duha ang champion, but it has to be played.

Tim Cone has warned cryptically - he will order his players to send Cardona to the floor if the TnT swingman continues to taunt and trash-talk his players. "The next time he taunts our players, he is going to hit his head on the floor. My players are not going to back down" ( from the Philippine Daily Inquirer Sports section today ).

No fines for that? That's the PBA's call.

But I'am enjoying the series. Lain gid ang Pinoy hoops.:thumb

moody erum
Mar 16, 2009, 08:20 PM
Tim Cone is now the winningest Coach in the PBA - he surpassed Baby D's 601 PBA career victories, and got his 602nd two days ago.

In Titles won - Baby D still has the lead with 13 ( 1 Grand Slam ), while Cone has 12 ( 1 Grand Slam ).

Of course, Cone has had more time, he has been coach for Alaska since 1989, that's 20 seasons, the longest tenure of a PBA Head Coach ever.

PBA lang ni, because Baby D has about double those victories in the MICAA, and about the same totals as UE Coach in the NCAA.

Sorry for boring you with Pilipinas Hoops.

Asked a friend ( sa US ) kun nga-a wala na siya ga-lantaw PBA when we spent countless hours cheering for Crispa and Purefoods before sa Dumaguete pa siya, hambal ya "kun na-anad ka na sa NBA Bai, wala na gid appeal ang PBA - strictly lay-up lang, kadugay maka-shoot, pa-porma lang ang players" ( translated ini kay he was speaking in our native Cebuano ). It just means indi na sya updated.:wink:

moody erum
Mar 17, 2009, 02:57 AM
Correction - Baby Dalupan has 15 Championships in the PBA.

The PBA Coach of the Year Trophy is the "Virgilio 'Baby' Dalupan Trophy".

moody erum
Mar 20, 2009, 11:04 AM
Chris Taft, a 6'10 260 lbs player from the US, 24 y.o., is arriving for evaluation by Coach Toroman. He is a candidate for naturalization for the RP Team. He is willing, but is torn between trying to make it in the NBA or playing here. He is an ex- Pittsburgh Pirate and an ex- Golden State Warrior. He has been on the watchlist of Toroman because he is a very good shotblocker and a strong rebounder. Plus, he will be only 26 y.o. in 2012.

Jai Lewis is the current Rain or Shine Import. He is teaming up with his George Mason U teammate Gabe Norwood ( a Filipino/local ).

moody erum
Mar 20, 2009, 07:30 PM
The 3rd Batch of Inductees to the Philippine Basketball Association Hall of Fame include - Benjie Paras ( Rookie MVP of 1989 and MVP 1999 ), Allan Caidic ( MVP 1990 ), Ato Agustin ( MVP 1992 ), Ricardo Brown ( MVP 1985 ), Freddie Hubalde ( MVP 1977 ), and 7-Time Best Import Bobby Parks. Also to be inducted are Bernie Fabiosa, Hector Calma, Samboy Lim, and Glenn McDonald.

The 1st Batch of Inductees included ( 2005, 30th Anniversary ) - Mon Fernandez, Robert Jaworski, Baby Dalupan, 1st Commisioner Leo Prieto, Danny Floro, Emerson Coseteng, Joe Cantada, Rudy Salud, Bogs Adornado, Francis Arnaiz, Philip Cezar, and Atoy Co.

The 2nd Batch ( 2007 ) - Manny Paner, Danny Florencio, Abet Guidaben, Norman Black, Ron Jacobs, Dante Silverio, Domingo Itchon, Tony Siddayao, Pinggoy Pengson, Eduardo Cojuangco.

Every Batch of Inductees stir up my basketball memories.:thumb

rolour
Mar 21, 2009, 08:44 AM
The 3rd Batch of Inductees to the Philippine Basketball Association Hall of Fame include - Benjie Paras ( Rookie MVP of 1989 and MVP 1999 ), Allan Caidic ( MVP 1990 ), Ato Agustin ( MVP 1992 ), Ricardo Brown ( MVP 1985 ), Freddie Hubalde ( MVP 1977 ), and 7-Time Best Import Bobby Parks. Also to be inducted are Bernie Fabiosa, Hector Calma, Samboy Lim, and Glenn McDonald.

The 1st Batch of Inductees included ( 2005, 30th Anniversary ) - Mon Fernandez, Robert Jaworski, Baby Dalupan, 1st Commisioner Leo Prieto, Danny Floro, Emerson Coseteng, Joe Cantada, Rudy Salud, Bogs Adornado, Francis Arnaiz, Philip Cezar, and Atoy Co.

The 2nd Batch ( 2007 ) - Manny Paner, Danny Florencio, Abet Guidaben, Norman Black, Ron Jacobs, Dante Silverio, Domingo Itchon, Tony Siddayao, Pinggoy Pengson, Eduardo Cojuangco.

Every Batch of Inductees stir up my basketball memories.:thumb

Moods, do they have a Hall Of Fame building or room or museum where fans can visit and perhaps relive the careers of these players/coaches/contributors?

moody erum
Mar 22, 2009, 06:31 AM
I think its still in the works RG. Notice how the 2nd Batch included mega-businessmen Mr Danding Cojuangco and Dante Silverio? Ang building sini wala problema, dako kag state-of-the-art. Bati-bati, ang 4th Batch will include PBA pioneer owners the Concepcions and the Uytengsus. Basi mas dako pa ni karon kay sa tuod nga HOF, bal-an mo na ang Pinoy, kun puede malabaw gid.:smile2:

moody erum
Mar 27, 2009, 04:04 AM
The RP Team go to Serbia for further training against Pro Teams there.

The Australian NBL Selection ( the Hoop Dreamz Great White Sharks ) will play against the RP Team here, on April 3 and 5.

The original choice for naturalization - ex- GS Warrior 6'10 Chris Taft has been sent home after failing his physicals.

Enjoyed the sister-team battle of Ginebra and SMB lastnight on btv. It was better than the Pistons-Bulls game, more thrilling, better played, and the basketball a lot better.

I guess I could never wean myself from RP Hoops.:thumb

teem
Mar 28, 2009, 01:11 AM
Bai Moods, daw wala ko ni ya kabati kay Tony Siddayao? Ano ni siya sportscaster? May referee man anhan nga pwede sa HOF? Si Tito Varela guro candidate guid. Galing Crispa. :???:

rolour
Mar 28, 2009, 07:06 AM
Bai Moods, daw wala ko ni ya kabati kay Tony Siddayao? Ano ni siya sportscaster? May referee man anhan nga pwede sa HOF? Si Tito Varela guro candidate guid. Galing Crispa. :???:

I think Tony Siddayao is or was a sportswriter. If my memory serves me right, he wrote for the Daily Express and SportsWeekly. Sang nadula' ang Daily Express, wala na ko kadumdum kun diin siya nagsulat. Daw Manila Bulletin o Malaya. But he was active in and President (?) of the Philippine Sportswriters Association.

moody erum
Mar 28, 2009, 12:13 PM
Correct si Nene Teemboy - Tony Siddayao was a sportswriter. He has already passed away and was awarded posthumously.

In case you forgot na, Domingo Itchon was a former PBA President. Pinggoy Pengson was a sportscaster who alternated with Joe Cantada as the voice of the PBA on tv. Both Itchon and Pengson were also posthumous awardees.

I think refs are eligible for the Philippine HOF, like say the ref they used for the 1st Q of the Crispa-Toyota Reunion Game, was a very popular ref. He was about 80 years old when he officiated the opening tip and 1st Q of the Reunion Game. It was upon the players request that he officiate, to make it feel like it was 1975. Unfortunately, his name escapes my memory right now, but tomorrow I will remember it. A young present-day PBA ref took over his place from the 2nd Q on.

Tito Varela, I don't know, maybe as a ref, though not as a player, I think.

Maybe even the ref Jawo and Tino Reynoso mauled in the MICAA?:wink:

moody erum
Apr 04, 2009, 11:41 AM
The RP Team beat the visiting Australian NBL Selection last night : 87-63.

While it was a nice showing by our boys, it should also be noted that the NBL Selection, while heftier, didn't have a legitimate point guard, and they are a hastily-formed quintet. Plus, of course, it was played at the Araneta Dome.

But encouraging is the fact that, a 24-point winning margin is not something to scoff at. Also, our team won by sticking to their gameplan : run, run, run, gang rebounding, relentless defense which resulted in a lot of steals and fastbreaks. Plus, the attitude of the team was different - it was a serious and hardworking and very intense team. Something I think is consistent with a Yeng Guiao-coached team, as opposed to a Chot Reyes or a Tim Cone-coached team.

Another thing : Team Australia had an average height of 6'6. The RP Team had an average height of 6'5. So, indi na gid man maglayo.

Unless of course Yao shows up. Or, if we indeed get back to the Olympics. Then we will again be the smallest team as always.

moody erum
Apr 05, 2009, 01:25 PM
The RP Team beat the Australian NBL Selection in their 2nd encounter, 93-89, in OT. The Aussies were reinforced by two current PBA Imports - Tiras Wade of Talk and Text, the best scorer in the PBA at 36.5 ppg, and Shawn Daniels of Air21. The two imports top-scored with 30 for Wade ( pakas-a ni Dwyane ), while Daniels had 19 with 11 boards. Team RP was led by Kerby Raymundo's 24 points.

The Goodwill Series carried a prize of 75 T per game for the winner, sweep sang RP, so ila ang 150T.

Learning experience ah. Layo ni sa actual comp they will meet sa Asian Club Championships and sa FIBA-Asia. Meanwhile, Team RP will be joining the Jones Cup.

moody erum
Apr 06, 2009, 11:56 AM
Correction - the RP Team's average height is only 6'2 and a half, not 6'5 as I originally quoted ( after it was mouthed by a courtside commentator I was watching ).#-o

The RP Team has to win the SEABA Tournament in June to qualify for the FIBA-Asia in August. They will join the Jones Cup in July.

The RP Developmental Team is in Serbia with Coach Toroman, playing against the Serbian Pros.

Blessed Holy Week to all.

rolour
Apr 07, 2009, 02:29 PM
Correct si Nene Teemboy - Tony Siddayao was a sportswriter. He has already passed away and was awarded posthumously.

In case you forgot na, Domingo Itchon was a former PBA President. Pinggoy Pengson was a sportscaster who alternated with Joe Cantada as the voice of the PBA on tv. Both Itchon and Pengson were also posthumous awardees.


I am wondering what the criteria are for a sportswriter to be inducted. Does it have to be posthumous? Because I believe Joaquin Henson (Daily Express/Sportsweekly/Philippine Star) should already be in the Hall of Fame. He was already writing from the very early days of Sportsweekly, be it about basketball, boxing, golf. He introduced and constantly provided information about the NBA to Pinoy fans years before cable TV was invented, through his Hoopla Grafitti column, various articles, and the NBA yearbook pinoy-version (okay, that was a rip-off :smile2: ). Not to mention his outstanding work as broadcaster and color commentator for both the PBA and NBA local broadcasts (and boxing too). Besides, I have met him in person and that should count :mrgreen: .

teem
Apr 08, 2009, 12:47 AM
Patay na si Quinito Henson haw? :sad:

rolour
Apr 08, 2009, 09:01 AM
Patay na si Quinito Henson haw? :sad:

:mrgreen: Buhi' pa si Quinito pre. That's why I asked if you have to be 6 feet under to be inducted if you are a sportswriter/broadcaster (based on the ones inducted already). I don't think so and I hope not. You at least have to be there to receive the honor :wink: .

teem
Apr 08, 2009, 01:52 PM
:mrgreen: Buhi' pa si Quinito pre. That's why I asked if you have to be 6 feet under to be inducted if you are a sportswriter/broadcaster (based on the ones inducted already). I don't think so and I hope not. You at least have to be there to receive the honor :wink: .



Aw ah. Sorry. #-o

moody erum
Apr 13, 2009, 05:04 AM
From Business Mirror, March 17, 2009 : "The nominations are open every two years, for players who have been retired at least five years and played for at least five seasons, league officials who have retired or have not worked for any team for 5 years, coaches who have retired for at least five years or has not handled a team the past five years, and a late media practitioner who was involved with the league for at least five years."

So, as far as media practitioners are concerned, you have to be "the late" before you get inducted. I don't agree with this. Hope the selection committee adjust the rules. I would like to see Quinito, Andy Jao ( wam-point lead ), Recah Trinidad, Noli Eala ( as a commentator is excellent ) and others get their plaques themselves, not some brother or sister or son or daughter, with all due respect.

rolour
Apr 13, 2009, 02:53 PM
From Business Mirror, March 17, 2009 : "The nominations are open every two years, for players who have been retired at least five years and played for at least five seasons, league officials who have retired or have not worked for any team for 5 years, coaches who have retired for at least five years or has not handled a team the past five years, and a late media practitioner who was involved with the league for at least five years."


I am quite surprised by this :shock: . Even the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame doesn't wait for its inductees to die. Ti dugay pa ni gali kasulod si Chino Trinidad e :mrgreen: .

The PBA should just follow the NBA's/US basketball lead. Sportwriters/broadcasters should be inducted as contributors depending upon their impact on the game, and whether they're alive or not. And coaches should be inducted whether retired or still coaching. Let's say you're a retired coach in the Hall and decided to coach once again, will they take your plaque back? :-k

teem
Apr 13, 2009, 05:19 PM
I am quite surprised by this :shock: . Even the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame doesn't wait for its inductees to die. Ti dugay pa ni gali kasulod si Chino Trinidad e :mrgreen


Let's say you're a retired coach in the Hall and decided to coach once again, will they take your plaque back? :-k


Maybe they will. Then you get inducted again when you die. This time for good. :sneer: It's like a Basketball Memorial Hall of Fame.

moody erum
Apr 13, 2009, 08:33 PM
I don't mean Chino, I mean his Dad Recah.

I can't answer those questions. What I can remember is that, the selection committee is chaired by Alaska GM Joaqui Trillo with the current Commish Sonny Barrios, other current and past league officials, current and past sportswriters ( who can't get in because they are alive :wink: ), an ex-PBA player ( who won't vote for the one who elbowed him or talked trash to him:brows: ), and an ex-PBA coach. A nominee needs 6 votes to get inducted. The 3rd Batch had 14 nominees, with 10 getting in.

So, if Jawo decides to play again ( just last week, he was reminding people he hasn't retired 'officially' yet, thus wala pa gid sang Retirement Ceremonies ang Ginebra for him ) then he will probably be allowed to keep his plaque. Si Jawo pa. But I don't know with Freddie Hubalde. Or basi wala gid man plano ang Ginebra mag-seremonyas ( joke! ).:D

TRIVIA:

1. Who said this when asked about his team's chances of getting back with their archrivals holding a 0-2 lead in the best-of-five Finals ? - "But remember ( pointing at the commentator ), the ball is AROUND."

2. Who said this - "I don't care kung 0.5 lang ang aming lamang. Importante, panalo kami."

moody erum
Apr 14, 2009, 08:13 PM
Answers to trivia :

1. Atoy Co

2. Jawo

The RP Developmental Team will hold try-outs for Fil-Ams hoping to make it to the team. The try-outs will be on April 24-26, 2009 at the UNLV Center in Las Vegas.

Basi may interesado sa mga anak nyo da sa US?

Gabe Norwood and Jared Dillinger are now PBA multi-millionaires. A stint with the RP Team will surely open up PBL and eventually PBA doors.

This to me is a very nice path to aim for para sa mga Fil-Ams or Fil-Fils nga ara da who aspire to be something in basketball. Go for the NBA Dream? Go for being the first Pinoy in the NBA? Go for it!!! But lucky you, you have the Philippine option.

As of now, PBA teams are enticing Japeth Aguilar and Gian Chui to come back to become PBA millionaires. Fil-Ams who have noticed how nice their compatriots lives are in the PBA have been filling up the PBL and Liga Pilipinas rosters ( a requirement to gain residency and play as locals, aside from documentary evidence of Pinoy parents ).

moody erum
Apr 16, 2009, 11:59 AM
The RP Team has to win the SEABA Tournament in June in order to qualify for the FIBA-Asia. Ex-Laker CJ Giles - 23 y.o., 6'11, will be the RP Team's import for the SEABA. If he does well, maybe he will be considered for naturalization.

moody erum
Jul 18, 2009, 01:51 PM
I don't usually start my posts with an apology,you know me and my fighting-style, but... its the PBA and Pinoy Ball, so read on with caution, this is not typical Bynum nor Odom stuff...:smile2:

Just finished watching the gut-wrenching ( at least to us Pinoy-ball fans ) San Miguel Beer versus Ginebra Finals. It came down to Game 7, with the San Miguel Beerman prevailing in front of 20,541 paying fans at the Araneta ( apologies again, its not Staples or Amway ). The empty streets of Manila was reminiscent of the Crispa-Toyota days. Of course, in true Pinoy-ball fashion, it was blood, sweat, and tears. And millions more on tv.

Interestingly :

1. This was the 5th straight Conference Finals that went into a 7th Game. This was the first All-Filipino Title of SMB in four years, while Ginebra was the defending champion. BTW, in case you still don't know, there are only two Conferences in a season in the PBA since 2006-07 season. Yes, ala-NBA na, indi na 2008 season or 2009 season.

2. Siot Tanquincen ( not that Reyes guy Chot ) was the winning coach of SMB, beating Jong Uichico of Ginebra. In the three Finals they have faced each other, Jong has never beat Siot. And Siot was Jong's assistant coach at SMB for 2 years. The ex-assistant becoming better? Or the ex-assistant knowing all the plays already? Or both. Maybe only.

3. Gabe Freeman of SMB, the Best Import, bested his counterpart David Noel of Ginebra, who was runner-up as Best Import. Like their teams. Noel was the 2006 US NCAA Slam-dunk Champion and played for the UNC Tar Heels champion team. Freeman has 22 double-doubles this conference, the most by an Import since 1975.

4. This was SMB's 18th championship since 1975, the most in the PBA ( Dang! meanwhile the Celtics only have 17 ).:wink:

5. In my memory banks, I think this is the first time the "Most Improved Player of the Season" Awardee, SMB guard Jonas Villanueva, won the Finals MVP. I remember in '91 Ato Agustin was "Most Improved" then was Finals and Season MVP in '92.

Meanwhile, the RP Team is playing in the Jones Cup prior to the FIBA-Asia. And pointguard Jay-jay Helterbrand ( Ginebra ) aggravated his hamstring injury and played hurt in the PBA Finals:sad:. They will be meeting Jordan in their first game. Jordan the country, not Michael.:wink:

moody erum
Jul 18, 2009, 02:10 PM
BTW also, Helterbrand was named the 2008-09 PBA Season MVP and was the All-Filipino Conference Best Player Awardee.

Our favorite Senator was cheering for the Gin Kings of course, disappointed, but happy it was a thrilling and well-played series. "Well, alam mo, ganyan talaga ang basketball, you win some, you lose some...":thumb

Personally, I enjoyed it so much more than that 4-1 affair we had to bear last June. Unless of course, it's the Celtics. Biased!!!:D Go ahead, shoot!:thumb

Years back, it was proposed that instead of holding the "Hamburger Championship of the World", known more popularly as the McDonalds Open, why not let the European Champs play a best-of-three against the NBA Champs. Why not SMB versus the Lakers? Number 24 reinforcing the Beermen. Or give us Bynum for the Series. Now that would be nice. And Bynum will finally get all the passes inside from the cat-quick SMB guards instead of slo-mo Derek. Even the Laker Girls don't stand a chance against the SMB Cheer Squad.:smile2:

moody erum
Jul 18, 2009, 08:40 PM
Correction to my previous post - it was not the All-Filipino Championship won by SMB, it was the Motolite Fiesta Cup ( Reinforced )#-o:brick. Its the product of making my posts at 2AM RP Time, after being busy the whole day. Maybe, it will make you appreciate my posts more, that I post even in unholy hours just so you'll have something to read on this thread.:D:D:D

moody erum
Jul 22, 2009, 05:31 AM
Anybody has any idea how our beloved Powerade Team Pilipinas is doing in the current Jones Cup Tournament?

rolour
Jul 22, 2009, 09:36 AM
Anybody has any idea how our beloved Powerade Team Pilipinas is doing in the current Jones Cup Tournament?

1-3? :sad:

Team info, schedule - http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=139565

Results, boxscores, videos, and pics - http://teampilipinas.info/search/label/Jones%20Cup%2009

moody erum
Jul 22, 2009, 11:50 AM
I know. Guilty here. Just wanted to see another post other than mine on this thread.:smile2:

Yes, 1-3, and lossing by a whopping 31 to Jordan ( the country ). Akig na gani si Lito eh. :evil:

Hambal ko kalma lang Lits, Jones Cup pa man lang, tune-up. Bal-an mo na man ang style sa RP Team - "we are not here to win, we are here to learn".:???: Kada tournament ga-learn.

The only bright spot so far, RP won against Kazakhstan for the first time since 2002.

But the Japan game was a thriller, 87-85. Question is, we were leading by 25-12 at the end of the first Q, then that combination was not tried again. Basi gid man learning.:wink:

moody erum
Jul 24, 2009, 03:20 AM
We lost again, 83-80 to our traditional rivals, South Korea.

The stats showed this - the RP team had more treys and had a higher percentage from the three-point area than SKorea. So, this is something, since they have always been better shooters than us since time immemorial. But, they hit theirs in more critical phases of the game than our players.

Where is Jimmy Alapag? This is the question most opponents are asking the RP Team. Even Lebanon's star Al-Khatib was asking why Alapag wasn't playing. He says Alapag is the best point guard in Asia.

Guiao's explanation was that they chose the taller Ryan Reyes than the 5'7 Alapag for match-up purposes. But Reyes has been injured, so maybe Jimmy Alapag will play again for the Nationals.

moody erum
Jul 26, 2009, 11:31 AM
Whew! We lost, actually bamboozled, by Iran 85-60.

"The game was very easy. No problem." - Iran's Head Coach.

Ouch!

RP finishes 6th over-all. We were 3rd in the 2007 Jones Cup.

At least, it was the Jones Cup.

Now, its on to the all-important FIBA-Asia in Tianjin - August 6 to 16, 2009.

As always, hope springs eternal.:thumb

moody erum
Aug 07, 2009, 12:41 PM
Wala gid biskan yehey! or gamay nga congrats! for the RP Team? Diin na mga Pinoys di?:wink:

Daw ako lang nalipay haw?:2oops:

Maayo pa ang steroids na-mention. Just joking.:D

Anyway, at least hope springs eternal. It will be the giants from hereon until the end of the tourney. But we have at least shown our team could compete.

Doubters are a-plenty. Ako, bahala na, win or lose, GO PHILIPPINES!!!:thumb This is our team.:thumb

moody erum
Aug 08, 2009, 10:51 AM
Text message - "Doc Moods, its useless to ask for responses sa imo posts on RP Basketball. Those who watch don't post. Those who post sa medskul don't watch. Sin-o ara da kay puros ara US, wala na sila na ga-lantaw Fiba-Asia ah." ( I edited this to place the missing vowels kay text-style ang abbreviations eh ).

I get your point # 091********:sad:

Ikaw ya, wala ka ya ga-post haw? Basa ka lang kag enjoy? Wala ka pa gani guro naka-reg di website ta ay.:???:

Still, I watch and cheer.:thumb

Sorry for my last post guys. Foolish of me. I admit.:wink:

rolour
Aug 08, 2009, 11:23 AM
Moods, if I only post whenever there are responses, I would never have reached this no. of posts... :wink: . Nami-an lang ko mag-post, kun may gabasa, okay lang. Kun may ma-respond, mas okay pa gid. Maayo ka gani' may naga-text pa sa imo, sa akon wala' :D .

I agree with your texter though but that doesn't mean wala' sing gabasa. I, for one, read. Ti, duha na kami ni texter e. Wala' lang ko itugda' kay, as your texter said, wala ko ga-lantaw :sad: .

moody erum
Aug 09, 2009, 11:57 AM
Right again RG.

That's why I feel this thread is no longer relevant. As you said, we can all read the newspapers, sports mags, watch tv, go to websites, and we can all get the info we want. If its about Team RP, there are so many ways to get it. Its the personal insights and reactions we live for.

Of course, we can't force people. We can't force them to post, react, or watch RP Hoops.

I post to get the reactions. If none, while a little sad, I have to accept it. But bringing the news, newspaper-style...well...the papers, mags, and the web can do a better job than me.

radenip
Aug 10, 2009, 11:11 AM
Text message - "Doc Moods, its useless to ask for responses sa imo posts on RP Basketball. Those who watch don't post. Those who post sa medskul don't watch. Sin-o ara da kay puros ara US, wala na sila na ga-lantaw Fiba-Asia ah." ( I edited this to place the missing vowels kay text-style ang abbreviations eh ).

I am guilty as one of those who read but don't post on this thread. It's not that we don't watch Fiba-Asia but simply that it is not carried by any TV channels here. I usually get the results online or in reading this thread. I don't think that TFC even show PBA games. It's mostly PBL or NCAA games shown at late hours.

Keep posting Moods as this may only be our venue to read insights into the PBA games or how our national team fares.:thumb

BTW, RP beats Chinese-Taipei - 77-70 (http://sports.inquirer.net/breakingnews/breakingnews/view/20090810-219607/FIBA--RP-beats-Chinese-Taipei-77-70)!! Yahoo:clapclap::clapclap:Go,go,go!!!!

rolour
Aug 10, 2009, 11:46 AM
I spend most of my online hours here at medskul.com. Most of the time, that's 24/7. Needless to say, I get all my info on this site. Whenever I post an info myself, it's almost always coming from people who know how to contact me through this site, whether through PM, YM or e-mail.

And I always get information here first, not from any other sources. I am not sure how many posters here are like me, but I have little or no time for other sites. I appreciate information, not just opinions. My links to medical news and studies, they're through my own feeds here too.

Whenever I quote the L.A. Times or ESPN.com for breaking news, I've been alerted to that by a former co-worker who now covers the Bulls for their media guide (incidentally, he is a diehard Lakers fans). He covers sports so he is on sports sites all the time. When Odom re-signed, I got an instant message long before ESPN can proofread their own article.

I guess my point is, I get all my information from you guys who read and post here. Sorry, I don't read the Inquirer or Philstar. No time. I am not even aware of a column called "Ball Don't Lie" if it wasn't mentioned by Moody here. I don't read other people's opinion on the NBA outside of this site unless I am requested to react to it.

So like Radenip, I appreciate all posts. Info, news item, opinion, what-have-you. I am sure there's not a few out there like me.

As I've previously said, I post because I enjoy it, whether it's read, reacted to, or ignored. But you don't have to be like me. If it becomes a non-enjoyable exercise to you, by all means, you don't have to.

:wink:

robby:b
Aug 10, 2009, 02:06 PM
Actually Moods, after RG posted that link teampilipinas.info, I added it on my favorites so I can click it right away. But I totally agree with Rg and radenip. We have our choices to watch and besides, not a single info about FIBA on TV. I was even surprised that I could not find this on the Fil-Am magazine from the Filipino store. :neutral: All I saw was about the La Salle players in training camp here in Chicago. They are so behind.
Mayo man tani kun starting si Japeth. Is he really in the line-up for Team Pilipinas?
Mabudlay mag-reply kun wala ka may nalong-ong. :wink:

moody erum
Aug 13, 2009, 08:15 PM
We continue to pray and support our team. Its do-or-die from here on. We have made it to to quarterfinals for the first time since 1991. Kudos!:thumb

moody erum
Aug 16, 2009, 07:55 PM
One last post before this thread goes into oblivion.

The post-mortem :

Team RP finished 8th in the FIBA-Asia. The top three finishers will be going to the 2010 World Championships in Istanbul, Turkey. The 4th and 5th placers will make it to the "Wild Card" Tournament that FIBA holds to fill up the remaining three or four vacant slots for the Worlds.

The top three in the FIBA-Asia : I.R. Iran, then China, then 3rd Jordan.

Lebanon was 4th, Chinese-Taipei 5th, Qatar 6th.

RP and South Korea battled for 7th place, and we lost to the Koreans, again.

Clearly, the shift in power is towards the Middle Eastern countries. Countries we used to beat easily.

Iran beat China. Iran has topped the FIBA-Asia for the 2nd straight time. Even with Yi Jianlin, Wang Zhi Zhi, and Sun Yue. Clearly, Iran's 7'2 center has benefitted from his training as a Grizzly. Before ta-as lang siya. Now he scores and has moves.

Clearly also, the Mid East states have benefitted from the wonders of naturalization, with 3 to 4 Americans on their teams, renamed of course, which Quinito and Andy "Wam Point Lead" Jao never failed to mention when our team fell behind in the games ( "I really can't understand how that guy has been ruled ineligible by FIBA before, now he is reinstated. I don't think he has a drop of Jordanian/Lebanese/Qatari blood..."). Of course, Pinoy sila, we know where Jao and Henson stand, but its true. Plus, all had American or European coaches. Kita si Yeng Guiao.

As we know, the Worlds are the qualifiers for the Olympics. So, for Team RP - forget about the World Championships. Forget about the Olympics.

Since I saw all the games - we just can't compete anymore unless, we do the same things : get tall foreigners and naturalize them, scour for tall Fil-Ams ( Jared Dillinger, our 6'4 offguard was highly-regarded in the tourney, and our 6'5 swing man Gabe Norwood ), or just content ourselves with winning Southeast Asia. But the very tall, very big, very athletic teams we faced...wala gid ta pa-daug.

Even Korea had a 7'3 for a center and a 6'11 back-up, two 6'10 forwards, and a 6'8 half-Argentine ( Dad is Korean ) small forward. Their guards were 6'3s and 6'4, Koreans at that.

Plus, the Pro leagues in Japan, Korea, China, the Mid East, have grown by leaps and bounds, including technology and coaching, that our lead as the "First Pro League in Asia" is now meaningless. We have the BCAP to contend with, we have imports who are "rejects", how could we keep up?

As Tommy Manotoc pointed out in his column "Impossible Dream" in the PDI - "Our players are very good, the best in what they do, within the confines of the Araneta Coliseum, the Ynares Center, or the Philsports Arena, playing against themselves.":sad:

Ciao!:thumb

tolits
Aug 17, 2009, 05:38 AM
Amen. RP team. I know they did their best mood. The RP team 1991 placed 7th in Fiba asia, that is so far the best record of the RP team since the 1986 champion RP team ( samboy lim, caidic etc.). Coach si jawo moods sang 1991? I'm sorry, but i share the same view with tommy manotoc.

moody erum
Aug 17, 2009, 08:00 PM
Ok, ok, I said it was my last post. But I'am breaking it, again, for the last time because of the rarity of the preceding post - an inquiry from Lito Villa aka Tolits, which I think deserves an answer.

Yes Lits, the 1991 team was the best placer ( 7th ) ever in FIBA-Asia, since 1986. That '91 team was coached by Francis Rodriguez ( I think ex-Toyota ini bala siya nga player ). Rodriguez also coached that same team to the Gold Medal in the 1991 SEA Games, thus they represented us in the FIBA-Asia. It was an all-amateur team which had, to name those I can remember, Marlou Aquino, EJ Feihl, Jun Limpot, Vic Pablo, Johnny Abarrientos, and I think also Gerry Esplana, Giovanni Pineda, and others I can't remember anymore.

rolour
Sep 01, 2009, 08:43 PM
Japeth's problem RG - ara sa PDI Sports dated Sunday, Aug 30, 2009 and onwards for updates. They have nice write-ups. Not that natamaran ko, but its nicer and more informative ila report.


Moods, this is why your information is as valuable as your opinion. It saves a few of us a click to the Inquirer :wink: .

OT - The reason I asked is basi' interesado man ang iban, especially Robby kay kilala ya Tatay ni Japeth nga si Peter. Iban bal-an, like me, this site is our main (if not only) source of information. I also met Peter once sa party sang mutual friend. May gin-tsismis to sya parte kay Jawo (good tsismis a) pero nalipat na ko...

4149
This pic was taken in 2005. Wala pakabitan sang piñata, pakabit kay Peter a :mrgreen: .

ecasiano
Sep 02, 2009, 01:50 AM
Moods, this is why your information is as valuable as your opinion. It saves a few of us a click to the Inquirer :wink: .

OT - The reason I asked is basi' interesado man ang iban, especially Robby kay kilala ya Tatay ni Japeth nga si Peter. Iban bal-an, like me, this site is our main (if not only) source of information. I also met Peter once sa party sang mutual friend. May gin-tsismis to sya parte kay Jawo (good tsismis a) pero nalipat na ko...

4149
This pic was taken in 2005. Wala pakabitan sang piñata, pakabit kay Peter a :mrgreen: .

Yes, Japeth was in the sports pages of PDI last Sunday. Here's the latest news http://sports.inquirer.net/columns/columns/view/20090902-223105/Japeth-parents-gave-Smart-go-signal

moody erum
Sep 02, 2009, 12:04 PM
Thanks Errol. The article pretty well sums it up RG.

Another recommended read - Quinito's column "Sporting Chance" on PhilStar 9/1/09 entitled "Advise for Japeth, Ban the Advisers".

rolour
Sep 02, 2009, 12:28 PM
Thanks guys. I think Quinito's column below gives me enough info. Pardon if I have to ask. Very poor ang background ko re: this issue.



Spare Japeth, ban advisers
SPORTING CHANCE By Joaquin Henson (http://www.medskul.com/forum/ArticleListByAuthorName.aspx?AuthorName=Joaquin+He nson) (The Philippine Star) Updated September 01, 2009 12:00 AM

The uproar over Japeth Aguilar’s reported refusal to play in the PBA after he applied for the draft and was picked first overall by Burger King is understandable. It’s like the 22-year-old wunderkind took the 34-year-old PBA for a ride, basked in the glory of becoming the league’s first overall draft choice and now is declaring free agency.

You can’t blame the PBA for crying foul. Aguilar hogged the spotlight in the recent PBA draft and nearly wept when commissioner Sonny Barrios officially declared him the year’s top overall pick. A dream come true was how Aguilar described his ascension to the pro ranks.

But Aguilar has since changed his tune. He’s been offered the maximum three-year contract by Burger King, leaving no room for negotiation, and the former Western Kentucky reserve center isn’t signing.

Under PBA rules, a drafted player who doesn’t come to terms with the team that has his rights will sit out a year. He will sit out another year if he still fails to reach an agreement with the same team. On the third year, he will be allowed to reenlist in the draft. The consolation of the team that held his rights is he will not have played for any other team for two years.

In Aguilar’s case, the PBA is considering a lifetime ban or at least a severe penalty. The rules don’t stipulate such a penalty but Barrios has the discretion to lower the boom on Aguilar for reneging on his commitment to play in the PBA.

“The PBA rules allowing for a two-year sit-out do not apply to Japeth because this is not a case of negotiation since he has been offered the maximum terms,” said a PBA insider. “We never forced Japeth to apply for the draft but he did. With his application comes a commitment to play. He was drafted first overall, an honor for any player, and for Japeth to now refuse to play in the PBA is a slap on the face of a league that is an institution.”
Some PBA Board members chastised Aguilar for making a mockery of the league because of his turnaround.

However, is Aguilar really to blame? Remember, he’s just a kid. His father Peter, a former PBA cager, is in Chicago and unable to appreciate the circumstances surrounding the case.


* * * *

When Aguilar joined the Smart-Gilas tryouts in Las Vegas last summer, he gained the vote of confidence from Serbian coach Rajko Toroman who described him as the country’s best big man prospect by far. Aguilar subsequently told Toroman he wanted to play for Smart-Gilas and would delay his application for the PBA draft.

Toroman said Aguilar hardly saw action for Western Kentucky the last two years and the 6-9 prospect needed to gain more court experience before entering the pros.

Then, Aguilar arrived in Manila and was surrounded by advisers who promised the PBA they would deliver the kid to the league. The advisers swore they meant well and only had Aguilar’s best interests in mind.

To warm up Aguilar for the PBA, national coach Yeng Guiao brought him to Taipei to play for the Powerade squad at the Jones Cup. Aguilar later joined the national team in Tianjin for the FIBA-Asia Championships.

It was during the Tianjin tournament that reality dawned on Aguilar. His eyes were opened to the bottom line that he’s not ready to go to war in the pros. Because of his lack of competitive exposure, Aguilar would be easy prey for the likes of Jay-R Reyes, Kerby Raymundo, Sonny Thoss, Asi Taulava and even a hardened rookie like Rico Maierhofer in the PBA.

Aguilar must have realized he listened to the wrong advisers. He was clearly misled. In Las Vegas, it seemed certain he would join Smart-Gilas and postpone his entry into the PBA. But shortly after he landed in Manila and spoke with his “well-meaning” advisers, he changed his mind.

If Aguilar had maliciously and deviously plotted to snub the PBA, then maybe he deserves a lifetime ban. But it’s evident that he never meant to malign the PBA. He was misled into thinking he was ready for the pros by advisers who like to present themselves as righteous and sincere. Surely, the PBA can’t be harsh on a kid who made a serious mistake in finding his basketball career path. Instead of detractors ganging up on Aguilar, his advisers should be lined up against the wall in front of a firing squad.


* * * *

Aguilar has a tremendous upside and will someday be a dominant force in the PBA but not right now. In two or three years, he will be ready for the PBA and be a valuable asset. At the moment, Aguilar is better off learning the ropes from Toroman and playing for Smart-Gilas. In the end, the PBA will benefit from this maturing process.

If Aguilar is forced to play in the PBA and doesn’t impress, the effect will be damaging to his career. Of course, he may prove this theory wrong by dominating as a rookie but that’s not likely.

Meanwhile, there is the matter of compensating Burger King which has Aguilar’s signing rights in the PBA. Perhaps, to ease the pain of his withdrawal, Burger King could be compensated by a team that’s willing to take a chance on Aguilar as a future project. That way, Burger King doesn’t walk away empty-handed unless the Whoppers choose to keep his rights and wait for further developments.

If Aguilar is convinced he isn’t ready for the PBA and would like more court experience with Smart-Gilas, the humane thing to do is to let the kid do his thing. He shouldn’t be branded for life but encouraged to learn from this mistake. He should also be more discerning in listening to advisers who pretend to be well-meaning.

By the way, a similar case involved Danny Ferry in the 1989 NBA draft. He was picked second overall by the Los Angeles Clippers but refused to play for the team. Ferry spurned the Clippers and played a season in the Italian league. The Clippers soon gave up on Ferry and traded his rights to the Cleveland Cavs who signed the center a year later.

Note that the NBA didn’t slap a lifetime ban on Ferry even if the former Duke star applied for the draft and was actually picked.

In Aguilar’s case, maybe Talk ‘N’ Talk could trade for his rights. Because of common ownership with Smart-Gilas, the Tropang Texters may choose to sit out Aguilar and allow him to play for Toroman. This way, Burger King is compensated via the trade, Aguilar gets his wish to gain more court experience outside the PBA, Smart-Gilas is reinforced by a major recruit and the PBA still keeps Aguilar in its rolls through Talk ‘N’ Text.

moody erum
Sep 03, 2009, 02:43 AM
From SBP Chairman Noli Eala - "If Japeth was not signing up with BurgerKing because an NBA team was doing so, say the LA Lakers, would the PBA prevent him too? Would they threaten a lifetime ban? Why ban him for life if he plays for our National Team?"

In the news yesterday, Japeth was firm in his decision - "I 'am going to play for Smart-Gilas RP, even if I get banned for life from the PBA. If I have to spend my entire career playing for the National Team, I'am willing to." Strong words.

The NBDL is willing to give him a try-out. A team in China is interested. The Philippine Patriots in the ASEAN Basketball League is willing to take him. His ex-WKU teammates now playing in Europe say there is interest in Japeth there. Lifetime ban from the PBA? Who's afraid of getting banned from the PBA? Not Japeth. Sa ilonggo pa - "Sin-o gina-pahug nyo?":wink:

rolour
Sep 04, 2009, 01:42 PM
I am the last person to question somebody's patriotism (I live in the U.S., most people consider that unpatriotic), but I am always wary when patriotism is brought up to not honor a commitment. Nothing against Japeth, of course, there are things that I just don't know. So this is not an opinion on this issue but some more ignorant questions... (some, Quinito alluded to in his column above)

- If Japeth was interested to play for the national team, why did he apply for the draft in the first place?

- If he got picked by another team (say, the sister team of Smart-Gilas), would he have stayed in the PBA?

- Is this a ploy to eventually play for the PBA sister team of the national team? Burger King needs to be compensated (or get nothing at all) so they might just agree on a trade to Smart (or whatever the sister team in the PBA is called) the rights to Japeth for a marginal player and a couple of nice cellphones.

- As per Quinito, did Japeth chicken out? There are a lot of established, seasoned bruisers in the PBA already and he did not see much action at WKU. According to a co-worker who has played against Japeth in a local Fil-Am league here, he loves to shoot mid-range rather than bang inside. I have no opinion since I haven't seen him play.

Eventually, as Moody said, it's still Japeth's decision. I agree with Quinito, the PBA should just follow existing rules (sit out 2 years or whatever) and not ban Japeth for life. Just compensate Burger King in some way. Drafting players comes with risks. Danny Ferry comes to mind and lately, Ricky Rubio.

The Wolves were smarter though. They drafted another top point guard in case Rubio suddenly declares patriotism and stays in Spain. They have a point guard and still retains Rubio's rights. It's an assurance if the Flynn guy doesn't work out. Or as a trade bait if Rubio decides to play with a countryman in the warm and sunny West coast.

moody erum
Sep 05, 2009, 12:51 PM
A couple of good reads for you RG - "Tongue-lashing sparked Aguilar Turn-around" by Dennis Principe on PDI Sports yesterday, and Tommy Manotoc's column in the PDI of 9/3/09 entitled "Go Japeth Go!".

As could be understood from the sports pages and news reports - Japeth was asked/tapped to play by Yeng Guiao for the All-PBA Powerade Team Pilipinas, thus he had to enter the draft and get drafted. All-PBA eh. This is also the Aguilar's explanation. But he really wanted to be with RP-Smart Gilas.

robby:b
Sep 05, 2009, 05:21 PM
I knew the Aguilars a long time ago. I see them in most “tsibugan” here in Gurnee, IL. Peter who is my kumpare, is very down to earth. Daw “momoy” pa gani si Japeth that time. The last time I saw Peter was about 4 months ago during the Pacquiao-Hatton fight.
He was the one who started the conversation that Japeth will play sa Pinas. That is why he invited me sa farewell party. He told me that Japeth will have a better career in the Philippines. I respect that. But he never mentioned the PBA. :-k
IMO, if Japeth picks where he’ll play and be comfortable with the organization, let him decide. I have nothing against it. Maybe at this point there are too many advisors on both ends. Imagine Smart-Gilas with a halo on his right shoulder and Burger King with a pitchfork on the other. Not to mention another hundreds whispering at night. To be honest with you, if the WK Hilltoppers did not make the sweet 16 a couple years ago, or beats 5th seeded Fighting Illini last season, none of this news will grab so much attention. Maybe the expectations were too high for this kid. He is young and still learning. Right now I guess he is confused where, when and what team will make him the ultimate star. I wish him all the luck. More power to Peter too.

rolour
Sep 05, 2009, 11:09 PM
One thing going for Japeth is it seems the popular opinion is with him, re: Quinito, Manotoc. I feel sorry for him to have to go through this. As for Peter, that's a good problem to have I guess. Either way can secure Japeth's future.

No one confides to anyone like a son to his father. In the end, whatever advice he gives his son will carry the most weight. Not the Ronnie Nathanielzs of the world. Play-by-play ka na lang imo, Ronnie.

Here are the links to Moody's article suggestions...
Go, Japeth, go ► (http://sports.inquirer.net/columns/columns/view/20090903-223274/Go-Japeth-go)
Tongue-lashing sparked Aguilar turnaround? ► (http://sports.inquirer.net/amateur/amateur/view/20090902-223268/Tongue-lashing-sparked-Aguilar-turnaround)

moody erum
Sep 08, 2009, 08:13 PM
I agree Rob and RG.

I think one thing that's placing the PBA in a quandary is - Japeth has called their bluff. He knows there is no legal impediment to being picked and not signing with team which picked you. It just happens he was the top pick, so grabe ang attention, but it happens all the time. It also happens all the time that players who get picked and drafted don't get signed by the very team whp drafted them, change of mind, most at the last minute, placing the player in limbo. Also, probema sang PBA because - wala man nakulba-an si Japeth ma-ban for life from the PBA mo, so na-weakened ila threat.#-o

moody erum
Sep 09, 2009, 05:25 AM
Congratulations to the PBA Hall of Fame Class of 2009 - Samboy Lim, Hector Calma, Allan Caidic, Ricardo Brown, and 7-Time Best Import Bobby Parks. Also ex-PBA Chairman Carlos "Honeyboy" Palanca of Tanduay and ex-Commisioner Jun Bernardino.:thumb

Will be watching ( on tv lang ) the NBA vs PBA Game ( NBA Asia Challenge ) on September 11 at the Big Dome.:thumb

ecasiano
Sep 13, 2009, 12:51 AM
Congratulations to the PBA Hall of Fame Class of 2009 - Samboy Lim, Hector Calma, Allan Caidic, Ricardo Brown, and 7-Time Best Import Bobby Parks. Also ex-PBA Chairman Carlos "Honeyboy" Palanca of Tanduay and ex-Commisioner Jun Bernardino.:thumb

Will be watching ( on tv lang ) the NBA vs PBA Game ( NBA Asia Challenge ) on September 11 at the Big Dome.:thumb

Although the NBA legends thumped the PBA all-stars, Allan Caidic proved he can still pull the trigger with five triples in the first quarter. One column (http://sports.inquirer.net/columns/columns/view/20090913-224981/Bring-back-Triggerman)even wanted to reactivate the Triggerman.

moody erum
Sep 13, 2009, 12:15 PM
Thanks Errol, for helping keep this thread alive. I agree, Caidic was still awesome. :thumb In fact, the retirees, both PBA and NBA, played well. Dominique, even though most of his 28 points came on lay-ups and jumpers ( with a couple of dunks in the first Q when he still had breath ), was still good. A fun game really.:thumb

ecasiano
Oct 07, 2009, 11:38 PM
Smart Gilas routed Powerade Team Pilipinas 98-69 in an exhibition match last October 5. Perhaps Smart Gilas was just too much to handle for Powerade Team. The former was headed by the controversial Japeth Aguilar who scored 24 points and CJ Giles who registered a double-double at 22 points and 16 rebounds. The younger lineup of Smart Gilas will join the other 10 PBA teams in the Philippine Cup which starts October 11.

Smart Gilas is composed of other collegiate stars like Baracael, Ababou, Casio, Barroca and Tiu. Powerade Team is composed of PBA stars like Yap, Dillinger, Thoss, Miller and Taulava.

4295
With Taulava

moody erum
Oct 08, 2009, 06:51 AM
I saw the game from start to finish. Its OK Errol, you missed the game. I was hoping to get your opinion on the contrasting systems, the coaching, the plays. I saw it all, I have my opinions.

teem
Oct 14, 2009, 04:21 PM
Bai Moods,

Mangkot ko bala kay permi lang ko gakalipat. Nga-a ang bola sa PBA kag sa iban nga liga sa aton lain sang sa traditional nga color pareho sa NBA. Sang una pareho man ini tanan.

Kita ko kagina sa TFC Barako Bull vs. Alaska. Ginebra vs. San Miguel. First time ko kita liwat si Leo Isaac kag Allan Caidic. :thumb Damu na guid hybrid nga players no? I guess it's inevitable, for Pinoys had settlements across the globe. It's just a matter of time for a Filipino crossbreed to play in the NBA. A 6'8" Samboy Lim?

moody erum
Oct 15, 2009, 02:51 AM
Teemboy - its because the PBA and all tournaments ran by FIBA like the World Championships, Olympics, and FIBA Qualifiers, use the Molten Brand basketballs. Molten has the patented yellow 'shooting stripe' on its balls. The Olympics and the PBA use the GL7 model.

The NBA on the other hand uses Spalding basketballs. It has to stick to the 'traditional-looking' balls because, as mentioned, the 'shooting stripe' is patented by Molten.

This is why lain itsura sang bola sa NBA kag sa PBA kag sa Liga Filipina. The PBL uses Spalding balls, the ones that would have replaced the present NBA balls but which NBA players complained was too slipperry when wet with sweat and caused cuts and bruises in Steve Nash's delicate hands. The PBL players, true warriors, never complain about it. It figures, unlike their 1st world counterparts, PBL players grew up using all kinds of 'rough' basketballs in the streets and the 'rough' courts of our beloved Philippines. Voit nga wala na panit, Robertsons nga ugit na, etc. Te, Spalding na gid na indi ka pa?

Up to the mid-90s, the PBA used Mikasa basketballs which looked very similar to the Spalding balls the NBA uses, thus pareho itsura sang mga bola sang ari ka pa sa 'Pinas.

Trivia : Before the NBA switched to Spalding balls and the PBA to Mikasa balls ( later Molten balls ), what common brand of basketball did both Leagues use?

teem
Oct 15, 2009, 12:53 PM
Tom Hanks buddy ball in Cast away. Wilson? :D

moody erum
Oct 15, 2009, 08:13 PM
That's right Teemboy - Wilson basketballs.:thumb

Yes, damo na gid hybrid ( or Fil-Ams or Fil-Fors depende sa ila linyahe ) naga-hampang sa PBA. For the past 5 PBA Drafts, Fil-Am or Fil-For ang Number 1 pick. Two rounds na lang subong ang drafting, since about 5 years ago, 10 picks per round. So 20 lang gid sa mga 80-100 applicants ang ma-pick. Two rookies per team. Ang iban applicants nga indi ma-pick become free agents. Laban sa malaka make it to the PBA. Half of the 20 are usually Fil-Ams or Fil-Fors. Sad, or good, depending on your perspective. But the Philippine Constitution guarantees the same rights to a full-blooded, natural-born Pinoy to a Half-breed with Pinoy blood or lineage. So, they come in droves to earn millions in the PBA citing their Pinoy lineage, then go home to the US when their playing days are over. Good, or bad, depending on your pespective. Definitely good for them. They enjoy the best of both worlds.

teem
Oct 17, 2009, 12:57 AM
That's right Teemboy - Wilson basketballs.:thumb

Yes, damo na gid hybrid ( or Fil-Ams or Fil-Fors depende sa ila linyahe ) naga-hampang sa PBA. For the past 5 PBA Drafts, Fil-Am or Fil-For ang Number 1 pick. Two rounds na lang subong ang drafting, since about 5 years ago, 10 picks per round. So 20 lang gid sa mga 80-100 applicants ang ma-pick. Two rookies per team. Ang iban applicants nga indi ma-pick become free agents. Laban sa malaka make it to the PBA. Half of the 20 are usually Fil-Ams or Fil-Fors. Sad, or good, depending on your perspective. But the Philippine Constitution guarantees the same rights to a full-blooded, natural-born Pinoy to a Half-breed with Pinoy blood or lineage. So, they come in droves to earn millions in the PBA citing their Pinoy lineage, then go home to the US when their playing days are over. Good, or bad, depending on your pespective. Definitely good for them. They enjoy the best of both worlds.


:-k To some extent, the influx made the league more physical. Bigger, stronger bodies. Taller? An upgrade we need to compete outside the Phil. shores. Even the courtside reporters are probably foreign born. I wonder what kind of Visa these guys have. (immigration wise) Working Visa?

They just don't look Pinoy enough to me to play the All Filipino League. :D I know..., I have to grow with it by watching more often. I'm just saying.

Is there an "import/s" conference still? My favorite import was Fields. Forgot his first name. He may have played for Toyota or Tanduay? and Carlos Briggs. Ginebra! My least favorite? Billy Ray Bates. Go figure. I cheered for #7. :wink:

rolour
Oct 17, 2009, 07:46 AM
Is there an "import/s" conference still? My favorite import was Fields. Forgot his first name. He may have played for Toyota or Tanduay? and Carlos Briggs. Ginebra! My least favorite? Billy Ray Bates. Go figure. I cheered for #7. :wink:

Andrew "Andy" Fields played for Toyota. I think he was the most efficient import I've seen. The guy was beyond statistics. I didn't like Bates too and anybody who played for Crispa :twisted: , and Tony Harris...

ice
Oct 17, 2009, 08:41 AM
Andrew "Andy" Fields played for Toyota. I think he was the most efficient import I've seen. The guy was beyond statistics. I didn't like Bates too and anybody who played for Crispa :twisted: , and Tony Harris...


if your talking of imports, you should mention the names of Norman Black, Bobby Parks, and Sean Chambers who played for San Miguel, Shell, and Alaska respectively. this guys were hard workers, loyal to their clubs, and brought a lot of championships to their mother teams. they played multiple years longer than the some of the Filipino cagers...:clapclap:

gator boy
Oct 17, 2009, 10:18 AM
amo ni si tony harris ang nag score 103 points sa iloilo no? not sure? daw nakalantaw kami sini bala sg ila hampang mo kontra nila ginebra. ara kami sa likod sa bench nila jawo. lipat ko kung sin o upod ko di tan aw aside kay fritzi. si boboy pueyo gani daw ara man to sa amon kilid. sadya to nga hampang. teemboy upod ta ni lantaw? or si bay moods?

teem
Oct 18, 2009, 05:36 AM
amo ni si tony harris ang nag score 103 points sa iloilo no? not sure? daw nakalantaw kami sini bala sg ila hampang mo kontra nila ginebra. ara kami sa likod sa bench nila jawo. lipat ko kung sin o upod ko di tan aw aside kay fritzi. si boboy pueyo gani daw ara man to sa amon kilid. sadya to nga hampang. teemboy upod ta ni lantaw? or si bay moods?


Sa San Agustin gym? Ambot kon amo to. Basta dumduman ko nakalantaw kita PBA didto nga ara ang manghud ni Philip Quitco nga si Angelo. Sus! pwerte ka gahud. :sneer: Ayawan kami tawa' ni Fritziboy.

rolour
Oct 18, 2009, 12:24 PM
amo ni si tony harris ang nag score 103 points sa iloilo no? not sure? daw nakalantaw kami sini bala sg ila hampang mo kontra nila ginebra. ara kami sa likod sa bench nila jawo. lipat ko kung sin o upod ko di tan aw aside kay fritzi. si boboy pueyo gani daw ara man to sa amon kilid. sadya to nga hampang. teemboy upod ta ni lantaw? or si bay moods?

Siya na Loy, 103 (or 105?), in overtime to bala mong, breaking the old record, 101, by Michael Hackett.

rolour
Oct 18, 2009, 08:37 PM
Siya na Loy, 103 (or 105?), in overtime to bala mong, breaking the old record, 101, by Michael Hackett.

An entry on Hoopedia (http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Tony_Harris):


The mercurial Harris, nicknamed the Hurricane, then blew into the Philippine Basketball Association (http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Philippine_Basketball_Association) (PBA) in 1992 (http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=1992_PBA_season&action=edit) as an import for the Swift franchise (http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Pop_Cola_Panthers&action=edit). Harris is widely acknowledged as one of the most dominant imports in PBA history by virtue of scoring a PBA record 105 points for Swift when they defeated Ginebra (http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Barangay_Ginebra_Kings) 152-147 in a game held in Iloilo City on October 10, 1992.

moody erum
Oct 19, 2009, 02:44 AM
That's right. I was racking my memory kun nakakita ko sadto nga game ni Harris, but no memory came. Then it figures - we graduated April of '92, so on October 10, 1992, I was already a PGI in Dumaguete, so wala ko kita.

Sa entire eskwela ko sa WVSU-COM - June '88 to April '92, daw ka-tatlo lang ko kita sang PBA game : Purefoods vs Alaska in '88 when Jolas, Patrimonio, and Codinera were Rookies, with El Prez, Al Solis, Jojo Villapando, etc winning against the Willy Pearson-Yoyong Villamin-Ricky Relosa led Milkmen. Then I saw the Shell vs Chinese National Team game where the Bobby Parks-led Shell lost against Shan Tao and Co ( hence Teemboy's christening our kontra nga Instik sa West court as Shan Tao ), then the San Miguel ( just when El Prez was traded, bitterly, for Abet G amid game-fixing charges ) vs Shell and Rookie sensations Paras and Magsanoc, which SMB won when Bobby Jose uncorked and made 3 treys in the last 2 minutes ( if memory serves right ).

What's your take on the Wynne Arboleda Incident guys? G***!!! if you ask me. Same with Bo-kalbs.:twisted:

teem
Oct 19, 2009, 05:45 AM
That's right. I was racking my memory kun nakakita ko sadto nga game ni Harris, but no memory came. Then it figures - we graduated April of '92, so on October 10, 1992, I was already a PGI in Dumaguete, so wala ko kita.

Sa entire eskwela ko sa WVSU-COM - June '88 to April '92, daw ka-tatlo lang ko kita sang PBA game : Purefoods vs Alaska in '88 when Jolas, Patrimonio, and Codinera were Rookies, with El Prez, Al Solis, Jojo Villapando, etc winning against the Willy Pearson-Yoyong Villamin-Ricky Relosa led Milkmen. Then I saw the Shell vs Chinese National Team game where the Bobby Parks-led Shell lost against Shan Tao and Co ( hence Teemboy's christening our kontra nga Instik sa West court as Shan Tao ), then the San Miguel ( just when El Prez was traded, bitterly, for Abet G amid game-fixing charges ) vs Shell and Rookie sensations Paras and Magsanoc, which SMB won when Bobby Jose uncorked and made 3 treys in the last 2 minutes ( if memory serves right ).

What's your take on the Wynne Arboleda Incident guys? G***!!! if you ask me. Same with Bo-kalbs.:twisted:


Basa ko lang sa GMA News. Kind of a Ron Artest act at the Palace. I don't know Arboleda or the player he is but maybe he got a reputation like Artest as well.

The best way to slap these guys is through their pockets. I don't think they care too much about suspensions which render then unable to play. But unpaid vacation? For him, P2M plus. #-o That hurts.

Ah ti wala ko kaupod kon Oct. '92 na ini nga hampang sa Iloilo. The Chinese game, the Benjie Paras/Ronnie Magsanoc I recall. Daw nag away pa to gani si Arnie Tuadles kontra sa mga intsik. Siko ya sa hita ang player sang China kag mag dalagan sa ila bench. :wink:

moody erum
Oct 19, 2009, 08:02 PM
Yes, ma-recall ko man tong sikul ni Tuadles sa forward to sang China nga niwang-niwang pero grabe palumpaton, dayon dalagan sa bench kag pa-likud kay Dante Silverio. Tingala man ko nga daw ka-familiar sa akon pagkita ko kay James Yap nga tapos ya sipa sa buli ni Terence Leather dayon dalagan nga daw ga-hampang 'dakpanay' sang grade 1.

Damo na gid PBA Games diri Iloilo, kay part na sa PBA Circuit ang Iloilo City, so may two to three games a year na gid diri, puros bearing games. Apang wala na ko galantaw kay, while I love RP hoops, pirme may ubra kada kadto nila di. Last ko nga lantaw PBA game was the North vs South All-Star Game ( 2005? ), won by the North with Mark Telan as the MVP. Kag te wala na Bandits nga upod ko, mga migo ko di nga mga Doktor, sako lang pirme rason.
Sang ari pa MBA pirme kami lantaw ni anesth friend. Subong, kun may Liga game galusot man kami. Apang tak-an si Anesth friend sa PBA kay "pa-ulo-NBA kag paporma kag puro Fil-Fors" kuno.:wink:

Si Wynne will be charged heavily kuno, kun pila wala pa ko kabasa sang news. Ini siya daw si Onchie de la Cruz-Jay Ramirez-Rudy Distrito incarnate : 5'11 pero ang lawas daw kay Mike Tyson, enforcer, 3-time Defensive Team Awardee, point guard sang Burger King. Ala Jawo ni siya kun mag-dribble, taas mag-dribble lapaw sa tuhod ang bola, apang indi ma-agaw kay sikul kag abaga sugata mo kun gwardiyahan mo.

Please read the news reports sa PhilStar or Inquirer. But he landed a kick to the fan's abdomen ( Smart Gilas fan Alain Katigbak ) and four punches. The fan had a lump in the forehead and a cut in the eyebrow ( bala mo, basta may cut ).

Heard sa commentary ni TJ Manotoc kahapon, it was shown slow-mo, kaluoy lang to ang fan nga naga-pang-cover daw si Ali in his rope-a-dope defensive stance, nga the fan was shouting invectives at him after Arboleda had 2 flagrant fouls and 4 elbows in a 6-minute span, the last flagrant was "submarining" Mac Baracael as Baracael was going for a lay-up. Init ulo ya sa fan, ah te...

rolour
Oct 19, 2009, 10:08 PM
Just watched the video on YouTube...

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Suspensions and fines are not enough. The player should be charged in court with assault. He looks like he belongs in Munti' anyway.

And give an award to the sideline reporter for somehow trying to justify the player's actions. Idiotic Comment Of The Year Award, maybe? Since when are fans not allowed to heckle?

Fine security too... geez

Arboleda banned for rest of season ►
(http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=515748)

ice
Oct 20, 2009, 09:46 AM
And give an award to the sideline reporter for somehow trying to justify the player's actions. Idiotic Comment Of The Year Award, maybe? Since when are fans not allowed to heckle?

Fine security too... geez



rg, if you are referring to the voice of the lady commentator, that's Patricia Hizon i guess. the wife of Vince Hizon, former Ginebra Player...#-o

this kind of players proliferating and masquerading as pros in the PBA are the reasons why some fans shy away from the games. add to that is the quality of players and the quality of the games...#-o#-o

i would rather watch a US NCAA game where the players have a good chance of landing in the NBA, than watching this Fil-Fors who can't even make their Junior College teams but luckily enters the PBA because of the scouts and just because they are a little bit taller and heftier than their homegrown counterparts...:brick

rolour
Oct 21, 2009, 11:58 AM
I am not condoning foul-mouthed hecklers. They have no place in a family-friendly environment like a basketball game where kids are as much a fixture as adults. But still, it is absolutely not an excuse for a player to attack a fan well within his territory (the sidelines), even if he says a lot of bad things about the player's mother.

The fan in this situation is suing (Atenista kuno kag damo' kilala nga abogado) and he is well within his rights. Arboleda, the player, is countersuing according to published reports, because as a result of the melee, he got deprived of his income. Huh? I am not a lawyer but the countercharge won't stick. The player crossed the line by assaulting the fan in his seat. Other than perhaps common decency, the fan did not violate anything.

That said, I am curious, are there rules for proper fan decorum in the PBA? I know the NBA has the NBA Fan Code Of Conduct (see below). Sure, stupid people are everywhere and you have seen beer-throwing incidents in the past but they have been dealt with accordingly (by the NBA, it's always a bad idea for players to deal with it themselves :wink: ).

And most arenas, including the NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL and NCAA, use a texting service for other fans to complain about unruly fans (http://www.instadiumsolutions.com). Fans can send messages to a five digit number. In the body of the message they text a unique "Keyword" followed by a space and then the message consisting of the issue and location. I wonder what those messages might be - "Section 366, row H. fan drunk, smells like week-old garbage, swears like ozzy osbourne" :mrgreen: . Security comes within seconds to yank that fan away. Cool, eh?

NBA Fan Code of Conduct (Chicago Bulls version but true to all NBA teams and arenas):



The National Basketball Association, Chicago Bulls, and United Center are committed to creating a safe, comfortable, and enjoyable sports & entertainment experience.

NBA fans have a right to expect an environment where:

Players will respect and appreciate each and every fan.

Guests will be treated in a consistent, professional and courteous manner by all arena and team personnel.

Guests will enjoy the basketball experience free from disruptive behavior, including foul or abusive language or obscene gestures.

Guests will consume alcoholic beverages in a responsible manner. Intervention with an impaired, intoxicated or underage guest will be handled in a prompt and safe manner.

Guests will sit only in their ticketed seats and show their tickets when requested.

Guests will not engage in fighting, throwing objects or attempting to enter the court, and those who engage in any of these actions will immediately be ejected from the game.

Guests will smoke in designated smoking areas only.

There will not be any obscene or indecent messages on signs or clothing.

Guests will comply with requests from arena staff regarding arena operations and emergency response procedures.

The arena staff has been trained to intervene where necessary to help ensure that the above expectations are met, and guests are encouraged to report any inappropriate behavior to the nearest usher, security guard or guest services staff member. Guests who choose not to adhere to these provisions will be subject to ejection without refund and revocation of season tickets and may also be in violation of city ordinances resulting in possible arrest and prosecution.

The NBA (and all teams and arenas) thank you for adhering to the provisions of the NBA Fan Code of Conduct.

moody erum
Oct 21, 2009, 08:06 PM
With regards to Fil-Fors - tsakto si Ice, its one of the reasons for gate attendance going down in the PBA. You see Fil-Fors, looking Foreign than Pinoy, playing in the All-Filipino Conference, biskan ako nga I still watch PBA games, daw maka-wala gana.

These guys do their utmost to be recognized as Pinoys for the reasons cited by Ice - not making it in America. Then they come to the Philippines, they have to be recognized as Pinoys ( or with Pinoy lineage, like a parent ) to be able to play year-round in the PBA. Otherwise, they could only play as Imports. Which, even in that area, PBA Teams prefer real/pure American, mostly African-American, Imports. Then they can use a Fil-For based line-up plus the Import in the Reinforced and/or Open Conferences.

To wit - in 2005 Jay Washington was the number 1 pick ( US ). In 2006 it was Kelly Williams ( US ). In 2007 it was Joe Devance ( US ). In 2008 it was Gabe Norwood ( US ).

Going back, it was Andy Seigle in 1997 and Fil-Fake Sonny Alvarado in 1999 who were number ones.

In fact, in 1999 - Eric Menk and Asi Taulava were also taken in by Tanduay and Talk and Text as direct hires, after Tanduay and TnT were elevated to the PBA from the PBL, thus they were not drafted.

In 2008- after Norwood, the number 2 pick was Jared Dillinger (US ), and number 4 was Sol Mercado ( US-Puerto Rico ).

While these guys claim Pinoy lineage, and their Pinoy Moms have made appearances in the Draft and games, they don't look Pinoy at all. In fairness, the scouts may have seen real talent in them, plus their heights and hefts. But they did also displace a lot of homegrown talents who have played here since they were small children, losing their chances to these Fil-Fors. Some quarters say, this is a challenge to the locals, to improve ( and grow taller? ) if they want to compete with these Fil-Fors for slots and playing times.

teem
Oct 22, 2009, 01:39 AM
While these guys claim Pinoy lineage, and their Pinoy Moms have made appearances in the Draft and games, they don't look Pinoy at all. In fairness, the scouts may have seen real talent in them, plus their heights and hefts. But they did also displace a lot of homegrown talents who have played here since they were small children, losing their chances to these Fil-Fors. Some quarters say, this is a challenge to the locals, to improve ( and grow taller? ) if they want to compete with these Fil-Fors for slots and playing times.


:-k Huge dilemma for the locals. Sang una sa Cebu lang ga kadto ang mga scouts, subong global na. 'basketball without boundaries'.? :roll:

moody erum
Oct 23, 2009, 07:33 PM
Corollary to the Wynne Arboleda incident - Tommy Manotoc's column in the Inquirer asks, "Who Gave the Green Light?"

Manotoc says, in his 3 decades of coaching, including a decade in the PBA ( Utex, Crispa ), he says players would not play so dirty and deliberately hurt opposing players if there is no "greenlight". ( Hope RG can post Manotoc's full column of the same title ).

Manotoc's column aside - a lot of columnists, sportswriters, commentators, and fans, have leveled their fingers at Coach Yeng Guiao, Mr Tough Guy.

Most comments say - Yeng told his players to play dirty, revenge for the "shaming" of Japeth Aguilar turning his back on him and Burger King, and for the 29-point beating his version of the National Team ( All-PBA ) got from Toroman's Smart Gilas amateur side.

TJ Manotoc said in his commentary - prior to the game, the PBA reporter assigned to cover the BK side was quoted as saying that Guiao told his players to put Smart Gilas "in their proper places. We are the pros..."

In Manotoc's column, the number of flagrants and dirty plays show the real intent of the Yeng Guiao warriors. They didn't come to the game to play fair.

"Who Gave the Green Light?"

People who play basketball can easily glean who did.

ecasiano
Oct 23, 2009, 09:39 PM
Corollary to the Wynne Arboleda incident - Tommy Manotoc's column in the Inquirer asks, "Who Gave the Green Light?"



Here's the article as published in http://sports.inquirer.net/columns/columns/view/20091022-231575/Who-gave-the-green-light



Who gave the ‘green light?’


By Tommy Manotoc
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 04:33:00 10/22/2009

It seems that Burger King cannot find a way to get away from controversy. Fresh from licking its wounds following the Japeth Aguilar exodus, now the franchise is going through its ugliest moment in the league’s history.
In the middle of the second quarter of the Burger King-Smart Gilas game last Friday, Wynne Arboleda decided to change careers from pro basketball player to UFC fighter and attacked a fan who had supposedly provoked him by hurling curses and invectives.
The league responded by slapping the Whoppers guard with its harshest penalty ever: A full season suspension without pay.
But what was the root of the problem?
In a span of 18 minutes prior to the insanity, BK had committed four flagrant fouls. The first came from Arboleda, who sent a welcome-to-the-PBA clothesline to the side of the head of a driving JV Casio. Then, Gary David chipped in his own hard foul on Marc Barroca. Then rookie Ronnie Matias unloaded a swinging elbow as powerful as a Federer backhand to Chris Tiu. Then the infamous “oops I slipped” undercut of Arboleda on a driving Baracael that got him thrown out.
There were other flagrant fouls that should have been called. Like when Arboleda fought the screen of Casio by elbowing Casio’s chin. Such a blow above the shoulders was enough reason for ejection.
Any responsible coach would have taken out a player who clearly wanted to hurt his opponents. And this other team is not just any team, but our national team filled with kids training and playing their hearts out for the country. While they are compensated well, they still risk injury everyday as they put their pro dreams on hold to pursue the more noble dreams of representing the country.
Intense physical competition is normally expected from a heated rivalry in the middle of a championship series, like Ginebra and Purefoods in the 1990s. But what could possibly have caused that heat and “fabricated” intensity against a national team that only wants to improve its game?
It certainly wasn’t an attempt to simulate international play. I’ve seen so many international basketball games. And believe me, those fouls would not have been accepted in any international play. I’m sure that once the international basketball community gets a tape of that game, they will be appalled.
How did the referees fail to see the intentions of the burly veterans? If the PBA technical committee was indeed competent, they would’ve ordered the players to stop the shenanigans. Let’s not be naive gentlemen, we know what basketball is and is not.
Arboleda should have been banished much earlier. All told, he committed four fouls, two of them flagrant, and then attacked the fan all in officially three minutes of playing time. That is one for the Guinness book of world records indeed.
So could this have been stopped? Yes of course. Ejecting the fan that could not hold his emotions would have avoided the mauling. But would the hard flagrant fouls have continued?
There were unconfirmed reports that the game plan from the bench was to be a man and to put the kids in their place. One wonders why even a rookie like Matias had the nerve to throw an unprovoked elbow at Tiu’s chin. No rookie in his right mind would do that in his second game in the pros.
And that’s the key word there—provocation. Arboleda claims he was provoked by the cursing. But what could have possibly provoked that kind of play? Was it revenge for the Japeth issue? Was it payback for Powerade being humiliated by Smart Gilas in the charity game? In my entire coaching experience, no player would dare play the way the Whoppers did had they not received the “green light” from somewhere.
It was clear, too, that team management should have stepped in and stopped the carnage. Is this the way they want to start the season with their board representative as league chairman? I sure hope not.
The Commissioner’s office has missed the point. The criminal/criminals get the punishment while the mastermind manages to get off the hook and go free to create more havoc?

teem
Oct 25, 2009, 09:38 PM
Kita ko gina Bai Moods Alaska vs. Ginebra. Diutayan pa and Alaska. Maayo hampang ni Hugnatan? o Hugtanan? La mahimu ang Ginebra sa iya. Helterbrand? Maayo man. Nami bakal tani iya jersey. May PBA store man para sini. Nami pa guid tani retro. Iya ni Jawo. O Samboy Lim. Kita ko man gali si Samboy kag Allan C. sa sideline sang Ginebra. :thumb

rolour
Oct 26, 2009, 01:28 PM
Fil-Fors or Fil-Farce?

Do they really believe parading one's Mom is the best way to determine Pinoy lineage? Well, if that's the case I don't believe any of the Fil-Fors who does not look remotely Filipino has any Pinoy blood at all. Daw kahapos man lang siguro mangita' sang Nanay? :wink:

I remember a certain Alvarado who played for a while as a Pinoy because he has a Pinay-looking "Mom" kag basi' paryente ni Max :mrgreen: .

moody erum
Oct 26, 2009, 08:19 PM
I'am very happy you get to watch a few PBA games Teemboy. Yes, diutikan ang Alaska in that game. Mark Caguioa is still out, injury. Si Hugnatan of Alaska is an MBA pioneer. He is from a town in Negros and played for the MBA's Negros Slashers until that league went kaput. He is an undersized power forward ( only 6'3 ) who uses his quickness to get to the ball first, and his excellent jumping ala Dennis Rodman, but Hugnatan is a better scorer and shooter than the Worm. He is one of the MBA players ( one of Cone's fave utility do-it-all guys ) who have found their niches in the PBA - people like Willie Miller ( San Juan Knights-Alaska ), Don-Don Hontiveros ( Cebu Gems-San Miguel ), and the ill-fated Wynne Arboleda ( Aklan Colleges-MLQU-Laguna Lakers-Pop Cola-Air 21/Burger King ).

Fil-Farce in some cases RG, genuine in some.

The DOJ's and the PBA's requirement is for proven Pinoy lineage. Also, that the Pinoy parent must have been a Pinoy citizen at the time of the player's birth. This was, still is, the controversy in Eric Menk's case - his Mom is a real Pinay who makes appearances in games, but I think there is a question because she was allegedly already an American citizen when Eric was born.

Admittedly - "of PROVEN PINOY Lineage" is hard to prove. One look at Mick Pennissi ( Fil-Australian daw ), Asi Taulava ( Fil-Tongan daw ), Jared Dillinger ( Fil-Am ), Kelly Williams ( Fil-Am ), Joe Devance ( Fil-Am ) playing as Pinoys, you can't help but take a double look and question if there is a drop of Pinoy blood in them.

People who are of Pure Pinoy stock, even if born and raised or migrated to the US when they were very young, have an easier time of being accepted by the DOJ and the public. They look Pinoy and are Pinoy-sized. Exs. Mark Caguioa, Jimmy Alapag, Vince Hizon, Noy Castillo, Mike Cortez, Jay-jay Helterbrand, Alex Cabagnot, Jeffrey Cariaso, and Mark Cardona.

Also, it is very easy for Fil-Ams like Willie Miller, Jeffrey Sanders, and Jeffrey Graves before him, who have American Fathers but who were born here, grew up here, speak Pinoy, speak English like Pinoys do, even if they don't look Pinoy at all. Or Fil-German EJ Feihl who stutters when speaking English but is very much at home when reverting to Tagalog.

teem
Oct 26, 2009, 10:12 PM
Bai Moods,

May ara man PBA store sa Manila? Jersey and stuff. Wala ko kakita sa MOA pag puli ko.

Sa college level, kita ko si Espiritu #9 sang Adamson? o Mapua? Kon may maayo lang nga program siya masudlan, may potential ni nga bata.

teem
Oct 26, 2009, 11:00 PM
Si Paolo Hubalde ba ta ni Freddie? Si Billy ya? Bata ni Romulo Mamaril? :D Si Billy daw amo guid siya kahinay kay Romulo. :mrgreen:

rolour
Oct 27, 2009, 10:33 AM
Admittedly - "of PROVEN PINOY Lineage" is hard to prove. One look at Mick Pennissi ( Fil-Australian daw ), Asi Taulava ( Fil-Tongan daw ), Jared Dillinger ( Fil-Am ), Kelly Williams ( Fil-Am ), Joe Devance ( Fil-Am ) playing as Pinoys, you can't help but take a double look and question if there is a drop of Pinoy blood in them.


True, Moods. Unless they go to the extreme like DNA testing perhaps. Paperwork is easy to manufacture like in the case of Taulava, although it doesn't matter now since he apparently complied with residency requirements. It's funny though. His mother was supposed to be from some parts in Samar where even Doctors To The Barrios won't dare go, kag wala' sing naka-kilala ni isa ka paryente 'ya :mrgreen: .

I have a co-worker who is married to a Filipina and is a regular fixture in local Fil-Am leagues here (I read somewhere that one of the commissioners is Etok Lobo but I've never been to one of their games). He played at Bolingbrook High, not a prominent school for college recruiters, but he's good enough to catch the eye of a Pinoy "agent" .

He was offered a chance to play in the Philippines but refused, because he believed he is not good enough. And another reason - he has no Pinoy blood. He is Irish-Thai. I guess the agent was planning to use his mother-in-law as his Nanay :D .

Incidentally, he told me that one of his teammates (a pure Pinoy Fil-Am) accepted a contract and played for a "semi-pro league" in RP (not sure which league, I guess there's quite a few now). 2 years later, he came back to the U.S., emaciated and badly hooked on "shabu" :sad: .

moody erum
Oct 28, 2009, 07:48 PM
TeemBoy - yes, si Paolo Hubalde, point guard of Barako Bull, is the son of 1977 PBA MVP Freddie Hubalde. He is 5'11 and played for UST in the UAAP. He has another brother, 6'1 Derrick Hubalde ( UST ) who plays in the Liga Filipina, which team I forgot. Just like the Barry brothers in the NBA - they inherited their Dad's passion and intensity for basketball, but not his talent. Freddie Hubalde at his peak was 6'2, a small forward/off guard for Crispa and Tanduay and Ginebra in his twilight years, was a wondrous sight - slashing so lithely through defenses and had a very accurate jumper from any angle. He still plays with Atoy Co, Lim Eng Beng, Philip Cezar, for the Phil-Chinese Veterans ( above 50 ) team that won the last ASEAN Veterans Cup by bamboozling the Chinese and Taiwanese vets.

Si Billy Mamaril is the son of Crispa and Ginebra center Romy Mamaril. He is also 6'6 and grew up in the US. His mom and dad separated when he was very young, and his mom brought him to the US. He is technically a Fil-Am too, but of pure Pinoy stock.

Incidentally - named as Players for the Week were Reynel Hugnatan and Mark Cardona. So, maayo gid man imo fellow Negrense nga si Hugnatan. Aton fellow Negrense gali.

I watched the very interesting Barako Bull vs Rain or Shine game last night ( even though there were two interesting games on another Sports channel from the other US league we also like to watch, sometimes ) wherein the Bulls - the lowest budgeted team filled with unsigned ( now signed ) free agents , comebacking veterans, and budget players, upset the high-priced Rain or Shine team, Fil-Ams and all.

"Its not the size of your contract but the size of your heart that matters.":thumb

teem
Oct 28, 2009, 10:03 PM
Kita ko ang hampang Bai Moods, utod2x lang galing. Na notice ko si Alex Crisano. Looks Fil/Fors? - as you say it. The most bully of the Bulls I thought. :mrgreen: He seems intimidating for the Rain or Shine players, everytime he swagger inside the paint, they simply cower and commit uninspired touch fouls. Maybe it's the tats. Or the ink of his tats. Mantsa sa uniform. :wink:

Sang temprano San Miguel vs. Talk n Text. Kita ko si Hector Calma sa sideline. :thumb Si Taulava daw sa TnT man sang una. Na trade?

Dugay na nag retire si Johnny A? Paborito guid ni namon sang una sang sa FEU Tamaraws pa siya. With Victor Pablo.

gator boy
Oct 29, 2009, 01:41 PM
bay moods i thought paolo hubalde played with UE... training pool ni sila sg cousin ko before sa time ni james yap, canaleta, tubid sg si zamar pa coach..then pag PBA ni yap kag paghalin ni zamar sila na dayon pero cousin ko la nadayon kay because ni kay hubalde (nag amigohay sila then tungod sa chicks nag tapungolay) long long story kag malas lang gid sya.. my cousin's name is karlo manajero sya ni nag MVP sa palaro basketball after ni james yap kung la ko nag sala.. kuhaon na tani ni cousin ko sg ateneo but tungod kay james nag UE kuno pero kay nag 1 year pa sa san agustin ti na late pa gid.. team mate ni yap sa chinese commercial sg high school.. kag sila ni ni james yap ang gakadto kadto sa provincial hospital sang una mangayo pang batchoy sg residente pa ta...

moody erum
Oct 30, 2009, 08:27 PM
Yes, I stand corrected Aloy - Paolo Hubalde played for the UE Red Warriors, he was still a 5'9 point guard at that time. Now the Barako Bulls roster lists him as 5'11. I think it was the other Hubalde, Derrick, who was at UST ( I think ).

Kita ko ni sa ER istorya simo cousin mo nga si Karlo Manajero, 6'1 height ya. Kita ko man manghod ya nga 6'3 apang wala ga-basketball. Kita kami ni Anesth friend sang hampang nila vs USA nga daw 38 points si Yap kag cousin mo daw 18 points pero iya tanan rebound kag blocks.

Na-observe ko lang, I think isa ka rason why si cousin mo, while maayo gid siya, indi as successful as James Yap, because iya hampang dalum. Sa Manila, kag higher levels of RP Hoops, gamay siya at 6'1. Si James Yap at 6'2, ato sa guwa hampang biskan sa high school siya, so na-develop kag nag-succeed.

Amo man ni cousins ko sa Ateneo de Davao. Ang 6'2 ko nga cousin wala nabaton Blue Eagles kay sentro siya sa Davao kag dalum and close to the ring iya hampang. Ang 5'7 ko nga cousin nga point guard ang nabaton sa Blue Eagles. Ang isa ko ka cousin nga 6'0 power forward, sa Univ of Mindanao lang nag-hampang. Kay gamay sya sa Manila.

Dapat kun Pinoy nga player nga indi 6'5 and above, sa akon lang, sa guwa nga hampang i-develop ya para may tsansa sa Big Leagues. Like Duremdes, 6'3, apang sang sa Notre Dame of Cotabato siya, he refused to play center, off-guard siya, pag-abot Adamson star scorer, hasta na sa PBL kag PBA ( MVP pa 1998 ).

Teemboy - si Crisano ni 6'7, 240 lbs, Fil-Am, ang tatay nya ang Pinoy ( bala mo ). Damo tatooes gid. Pero dako kag bakas sa rebounds and defense. Isa sa mga no-takers gin-kwa sang Barako Bull kag napuslan gid.

Wala ko kita sang PBA Store Teemboy biskan sa Manila. Pero may mga PBA Originals sa mga SM Department stores, sa Accel section, nga ga-baligya sang mga PBA jerseys.

Pero ang gina-pangita mo nga Helterbrand jersey #13, Ginebra Kings, ako na bahala bakal para sa imo. Ihatag ko sa imo pagkadto mo diri sa January.

So, just in case bakal ka, indi ka na bakal Helterbrand. Caguioa, RP Team jerseys, Alapag... basta Helterbrand ako na bakal sina.:thumb

teem
Oct 31, 2009, 12:19 PM
Wala ko kita sang PBA Store Teemboy biskan sa Manila. Pero may mga PBA Originals sa mga SM Department stores, sa Accel section, nga ga-baligya sang mga PBA jerseys.

Pero ang gina-pangita mo nga Helterbrand jersey #13, Ginebra Kings, ako na bahala bakal para sa imo. Ihatag ko sa imo pagkadto mo diri sa January.

So, just in case bakal ka, indi ka na bakal Helterbrand. Caguioa, RP Team jerseys, Alapag... basta Helterbrand ako na bakal sina.:thumb

Thanks Bai Moods. May kita ko sa Ebay Helterbrand nga white jersey, XL galing. Tag $60 plus shipping. Taga Florida ang seller. :-k Pro indi guro si Aloy ah.

rolour
Oct 31, 2009, 02:30 PM
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Pila ni ayhan kun ibutang mo sa eBay :smile2: ? A friend gave this to me years ago. Iya ni kuno personal ni Bal David :-k . Gin-gin L. also gave me another Ginebra jacket pero nabilin ko to sa Antique. Paryente ya ang gapang-ubra sang uniform sa PBA. Inquire kamo kay Gin-gin (Dendrites). Gamay man lang na' gina-ginansya ya, ha ha :mrgreen: .

moody erum
Nov 01, 2009, 04:25 AM
TeemBoy - XL man ni ang available diri nga Helterbrand. Indi ni mag-igo sa imo, biskan sampaw mo over sang regular mo nga t-shirt? Kun gusto mo, kun OK sa imo Teemboy, ang James Yap nga #18 Purefoods XL man pero mas gamay takos sang Helterbrand. Yap na lang? Post lang di kun ano gusto mo, puro ni XL - white nga #13 Helterbrand, red nga #47 Caguioa, or blue and red nga #18 Yap Purefoods, or blue and yellow nga #3 Talk and Text nga Alapag.

Wala gid sang retro jerseys nga PBA, although si Melvin S. may ara siya nga yellow nga #7 Jaworski Toyota nga ginbakal ya sang paglantaw ya Toyota-Crispa Reunion game. Gin-offeran ko na ni sya apang indi gid ibaligya. Basi ikaw maka-offer sang prize nga indi ya mabalibadan.

Migo ko nga surgeon sa Dumaguete, naglantaw man Reunion Game, nakabakal man siya Crispa retro nga #6 F.Co Jr, indi man ibaligya.

Wala man abi ko kapa-Manila at that time, lantaw lang ko sa tv, wala ko kabalo nga ato si Melvin, te wala gid kapa-tugon.:sad:

moody erum
Nov 01, 2009, 04:44 AM
'Ne - wala na to guro gapanahi PBA uniforms ang pariente ni Dendrites ( Gin-gin Licup ) because it is now the Accel Sports Company who is the official supplier of PBA uniforms. Which means mahal na inang game-worn nga personal jacket ni Bal David mo.

Sa isa ka Hobby shop sa Mall of Asia, may nakita ko nga silver jacket nga exact copy sang ginpanghatag sa PBA sa "25 Greatest Players" sang 25th Anniversary sang PBA. Of course ang real ones were given to the awardees. Pero ang copy ( made by the same maker so orig ) daw 10k bala baligya mo. Kun tuod guro nga actual ginsuksuk sang isa sa mga awardee, mahal-mahal gid.

May ara man to actual nga Hill Bros #33 Adornado naka-frame, daw 25k bala to ang selling price. Kun Utex guro or Crispa nga #33 Adornado mahal pa gid.

Trivia : Who was the first player ever to have his jersey number retired by any team ( pro, college, commercial league, PBA, MICAA, etc ) in the Philippine Islands.

rolour
Nov 01, 2009, 05:46 PM
Trivia : Who was the first player ever to have his jersey number retired by any team ( pro, college, commercial league, PBA, MICAA, etc ) in the Philippine Islands.

Mon Fernandez

teem
Nov 01, 2009, 09:58 PM
Bai Moods,

Thank you guid. Indi lang pag palibugi. XL daw daku guid na. Kanugon lang. Kon madayon ko sa Enero, check ko lang ah. Indi na mag bakal. BTW kon ako kay Melvin, indi ko man pag ibaligya ang #7 nga jersey. Kanugon kay wala ka kapadala. Sa Ebay may Jaworski man #7 nga nabaligya. Philadelphia Eagles galing. Retro. Iya sang NFL. :sad:

Pix sang Helterbrand sa Ebay. $49.00 gali. Pwede pa ma ayuan. :D

teem
Nov 01, 2009, 10:03 PM
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Pila ni ayhan kun ibutang mo sa eBay :smile2: ? A friend gave this to me years ago. Iya ni kuno personal ni Bal David :-k . Gin-gin L. also gave me another Ginebra jacket pero nabilin ko to sa Antique. Paryente ya ang gapang-ubra sang uniform sa PBA. Inquire kamo kay Gin-gin (Dendrites). Gamay man lang na' gina-ginansya ya, ha ha :mrgreen: .

Ne',

Nugon ni ibaligya sa Ebay. Nami ni pa permahan sa tag iya for authenticity. Tapos e-frame sa imo basement. Sa imo bar kag bilyaran sa basement. :brows: Sports motif. PBA made. Wala pa guro basement diri sa tate pareho sina.

moody erum
Nov 01, 2009, 10:30 PM
Kun may sizes available, ano size mo Teemboy?

Anyway, puede ko man gihapon baklon simo ning Helterbrand nga xl in case wala gid sizes, i-frame mo kag butang sa imo den.

Answer to Trivia : The first ever Pinoy player to have his jersey number retired on Philippine soil is Lim Eng Beng, when La Salle retired his jersey #14 in 1974 right after he graduated.

In the PBA, the first retired number is #33 for Bogs Adornado, its first MVP, first back-to-back MVP, 1st to win three MVP Awards. This number is retired by the PBA itself. Check it out, no PBA player wears number 33.

moody erum
Nov 01, 2009, 10:43 PM
Correction : Adornado's #33 is retired by the Alaska franchise, but was honored by the whole PBA in a ceremony in 1988. This is what I could remember, so I thought it was retired by the PBA. I stand corrected.:2oops:

moody erum
Nov 03, 2009, 07:19 PM
Nice upset of the Purefoods Giants by the Coke Tigers.

Our ABL Team, the Philippine Patriots is doing quite well. And, they are regulars on ESPN. Pirde pa ang PBA, local lang ila coverage.

Yes Teemboy - si Asi Taulava ara na sa Coca-Cola Tigers.

Also Teemboy - a third Hubalde son, Nikko Hubalde, is touted to be the top draftee in the PBL this year.

Maayo pa si Freddie Hubalde, mga bata ya, while indi maka-approximate sang iya talento, maayo man maghalampang.

The Fil-Am experience continues. And they all go back to the US. John Arigo is now back in the US. Jeff Cariaso is playing his last year in the PBA, and will go straight to the US. The Lago boys ( remember ) are back in the US. Ricardo Brown is in the US. Many more. Many to come.

This is one peeve of the locals, these Fil-Ams ( proven as per DOJ Certifications ) just displace or prevent a lot of homegrown Pinoys, then go back to the US once they are done here. Being "Pinoy" to them was just a way to earn through basketball, to succeed here where they failed to make it there, then go back being Americans. Can you blame the quarters who cry "foul!?"

Some do stay, like Norman Black, who isn't even Pinoy to start with, but he is the exception.

Oh well. As the sportspages who pointed these out say -"...they enjoy the best of both worlds.":wink:

teem
Nov 04, 2009, 08:46 AM
Last ko kita hampang (2 days ago) Ginebra vs San Miguel. Wala mayo sadya. Kulang scorer ang San Mig. Indi sila ka lagas kay Helterbrand kag Caguioa. Si Menk gali hinay na guid. Daku lang galing.

rolour
Nov 04, 2009, 08:55 AM
Ne',

Nugon ni ibaligya sa Ebay. Nami ni pa permahan sa tag iya for authenticity. Tapos e-frame sa imo basement. Sa imo bar kag bilyaran sa basement. :brows: Sports motif. PBA made. Wala pa guro basement diri sa tate pareho sina.

Nice idea. Poster na lang ni Jawo dugang :smile2: .

Moods, is Bal David still visible somewhere? Assistant coach or something? Kun my pirma ya ni ti added value :wink: .

moody erum
Nov 04, 2009, 10:36 AM
Teemboy - I just finished watching the San Mig vs Rain or Shine game, with SMB demolishing the R or S team. SMB now climbs to 2nd at 3-2, while R or S sinks to 0-5.

No Bal David sighting or news. Heard he has migrated to the US. I 'am not sure. Maybe he is coaching high school ball somewhere.

teem
Nov 04, 2009, 06:31 PM
Teemboy - I just finished watching the San Mig vs Rain or Shine game, with SMB demolishing the R or S team. SMB now climbs to 2nd at 3-2, while R or S sinks to 0-5.

No Bal David sighting or news. Heard he has migrated to the US. I 'am not sure. Maybe he is coaching high school ball somewhere.


E google abi si Bal David. :mrgreen:

Ang Rain or Shine daw pigaw guid. Ano ni sila expansion team? Ang Smart Gilas ya? May chance lang ko maka lantaw kon off.

teem
Nov 04, 2009, 09:39 PM
Nice idea. Poster na lang ni Jawo dugang :smile2: .

Moods, is Bal David still visible somewhere? Assistant coach or something? Kun my pirma ya ni ti added value :wink: .



Add these. :thumb

moody erum
Nov 05, 2009, 11:06 AM
Si Melvin S. ina Teemboy? How'd you get his pic, siya nagpadala sa imo? I saw Melvs actually wearing that yellow Jawo jersey and I offered to buy it at twice the price. No Dice kuno. No way Jose!

Daw type ko naman ning Kobe 5 ah. Dapat sakuon ko usar ang Kobe 4 para medyo magdulu-da-an, may rason...:D

rolour
Nov 05, 2009, 01:02 PM
Add these. :thumb

Nami pa gid kun ang dark red/blue version.

Ari na lang, kay Ron... :smile2:

4460

teem
Nov 05, 2009, 07:45 PM
Si Melvin S. ina Teemboy? How'd you get his pic, siya nagpadala sa imo? I saw Melvs actually wearing that yellow Jawo jersey and I offered to buy it at twice the price. No Dice kuno. No way Jose!

Daw type ko naman ning Kobe 5 ah. Dapat sakuon ko usar ang Kobe 4 para medyo magdulu-da-an, may rason...:D


Indi Bai Moods. Kita ko lang ni sa isa ka pinoy blog site. Hu-o gani daw si Melvin man guid. :brows:

Mayo ang Kobe V no. Hulat naman ta kon ano ang mga color sini. Tani indi lang damu patented leather. Ang New Balance sa pihak nga thread, amo ni ang akon dugay na nabantayan. Fall release. Budlay kay laban sa UK ini. Mahal igu-an sang shipping. Almost $30-$40. :sad: Ano abi kay ang mga tahum nga mga NB didto sa Europe gina release. Kag Japan. ( Mita Japan )

teem
Nov 06, 2009, 11:37 PM
Saw the Red Bull Barako against Ginebra Kings first half game. I was treated with the reinstatement of one of my favorites, Johnnie Abarrientos. :thumb (Reeled me off from the past, sort of). Here's Johnnie being the oldest cager of the league at 39 and short winded for the first 4 minutes of inception but was able to dish off 3 assists in the first few minutes to put Ginebra on top in the 2nd quarter.

Bai Moods, abi ko anay Alaska ni si Johnnie sang una. Nano na trade siya bag-o mag retire?

moody erum
Nov 07, 2009, 06:17 AM
Teemboy - Johnny A was the 3rd pick in the 1993 PBA Draft ( FEU Tamarraws and Crispa White Cement in the PBL ). He was picked by Alaska and played for the Milkmen from 1993-2000. He was traded to the Pop Cola Panthers for the 2001-02 season, to the Coke Tigers from 2002 to 2006, then was taken in by the Ginebra Kings from 2006 to 2008 as a back-up point guard to Jay-jay Helterbrand.

He was out of the PBA in 2008 and until now and has been playing for the touring SMC All-Stars ( a team of ex-SMB players who tour all over the country and abroad like HK and the Mid East playing for the Pinoy OFWs ).

I saw that same Barako Bulls vs Ginebra game you saw Teemboy, with the comebacking, 39-year old Johnny A having 6 assists, 3 rebounds, and 1 steal in 10 minutes of action. Importantly, the Kings won over the Bulls. He was signed up due to Helterbrand being injured. Johnny A is already the all-time PBA leader in steals and 2nd all-time to Jawo in assists.

moody erum
Nov 08, 2009, 07:20 PM
I enjoyed the Purefoods Giants- Talk and Text slambang affair last night, with the Giants winning 108-102. James Yap vs Mark Cardona mano-a-mano was a very good match-up, Paul Artadi vs Jimmy Alapag looked quite dizzying, like two 100-meter dashers going full-speed everytime, your eyes need a few seconds to get a good focus on the two flashes.

Also enjoyed the ESPN offering last night ( I was switching channels ) - Indonesia ( Muda Britama ) vs the Singapore Slingers in the ABL. The other night, it was the Philippine Patriots vs the Slingers, a 70-53 RP blow-out win, avenging the earlier RP loss to the Slingers in Singapore. The Patriots are holding steady at 3-1 so far, with their next game against the Kuala Lumpur Dragons, in KL. The newest Philippine players - Elmer Espiritu of UE ( 6'5 small forward ) and Bacolod boy Nonoy Baclao of Ateneo ( 6'4 small forward/power forward ) are playing really well.

The salaries are very good, you get to travel to other ASEAN countries ( home-and-away ), the league is funded by Billionaires and their companies, that's why a lot of players are attracted to the League. Plus the nationalistic flavor, arenas are always full. PBA ang gina-langaw this time. Also, one reason why Japeth was not afraid of the threat of a lifetime ban from the PBA, Patriots owner Mikee Romero ( Harbour Center of the PBL and Rain or Shine in the PBA ) was more than ready to match and surpass anything the PBA could offer.

Plus, the NBA's Clippers are at 3-4, holding 3rd in the Pacific, holding 7th in the West.

Enjoy gid lantaw basketball in these times.:thumb

teem
Nov 14, 2009, 01:01 AM
Saw half the game of Talk n Text vs. Red Bull. La mahimu si Mighty Mouse. Laban2x perdi sila gapon. :???:

moody erum
Nov 14, 2009, 01:40 AM
Actually Teemboy, the Talk n Text team rallied and won, 93-90 against the Barako Bulls.

What was amazing was the 1st game of that twinbill - 0-6 Rain or Shine vs 6-0 Alaska Milk. After the game, it was now Alaska 6-1, R or S 1-6. Upset based on records obviously. But, it could also mean the R or S cagers are getting their acts together.:thumb

teem
Nov 14, 2009, 01:45 AM
Daug gali! :D Jimmy still as mighty as the mouse he was then. :thumb Nugon na miss ko ang upset sang Rain or Shine.

moody erum
Nov 14, 2009, 11:49 AM
During the last FIBA-Asia, the Head Coaches of I.R.Iran, Jordan, and South Korea had a common question for Yeng Guiao : "Where is Jimmy Alapag?"

Mighty Mouse.

Not that Willie Miller was not good, but Jimmy Alapag was the concensus "Best Pointguard in Asia" in the 2007 FIBA-Asia. The last time another Pinoy was accorded that unofficial title was the Flying A during the 1994 Asian Games. Further down would be Hector Calma in the 1982 Asian Youth Championships, and Robert Jaworski in the 1973 FIBA-Asia ( still called the ABC - Asian Basketball Championships ). Good company.

Trivia : Who were the two point guards of the RP Team when we last played in the Olympics in 1972?

rolour
Nov 14, 2009, 12:09 PM
Trivia : Who were the two point guards of the RP Team when we last played in the Olympics in 1972?

Yoyong Martirez and Melencio

moody erum
Nov 15, 2009, 09:26 AM
Just finished watching the horrendous rout by Purefoods of the Rain or Shine team - 103 to 69. 34-point loss. After R or S notched its first win, against front-running Alaska, of all teams.

Re Trivia : Rogelio "Tembong" Melencio was the team's 6'2 utility/defensive forward. He was responsible for the fact that Italy's Dino Meneghin had to be carried out of the playing court in a stretcher, when the two teams met at the 1972 Olympics. But he was not a point guard.

ecasiano
Nov 15, 2009, 04:20 PM
Re Trivia : Rogelio "Tembong" Melencio was the team's 6'2 utility/defensive forward. He was responsible for the fact that Italy's Dino Meneghin had to be carried out of the playing court in a stretcher, when the two teams met at the 1972 Olympics. But he was not a point guard.

Danny Florencio?

teem
Nov 15, 2009, 09:48 PM
Just finished watching the horrendous rout by Purefoods of the Rain or Shine team - 103 to 69. 34-point loss. After R or S notched its first win, against front-running Alaska, of all teams.

Re Trivia : Rogelio "Tembong" Melencio was the team's 6'2 utility/defensive forward. He was responsible for the fact that Italy's Dino Meneghin had to be carried out of the playing court in a stretcher, when the two teams met at the 1972 Olympics. But he was not a point guard.


The first game was better. San Mig vs Red Bull. RB rallied but Santos and Hontiveros proved too much for them in that game.

Na bench (sorry for the word Bai Moods) :wink: si Crisano sa 2nd half? Bad trip guid guro si Coach Isaac sa play sang last seconds before the half. :evil: He could have made an easy pass to an unguarded teammate underneath the rim to make an easy 2 in the dying seconds. Instead he volunteered himself, did an extra dribble to the basket, made a "pa cute" put in as time expired. When the play was reviewed, his effort was late on the clock. #-o Nugon kay ga lagas sila tani.

moody erum
Nov 16, 2009, 09:27 AM
Sayang wala ko kita sang 1st game. Pero laban mga amo to nga play ni Crisano ma-akig gid si Leo Isaac. Isaac has received praise for working well with a low-budget team of rookies, free agents released by other teams, and semi-retired vets who are coming back ( like Crisano). Isaac as a player was a very intense, no non-sense, no-frills playmaker for the Ginebra squad. A lay-up, sureball, would have been what was needed. Checking the boxscores, Crisano was most likely benched ( ouch! ). At least he was benched, not floored like me, since we had no bench, I sat on the floor.:cry:

Answer to Trivia : The point guards for the very last Philippine Olympic basketball team - the 1972 Munich team - were Rosalio "Yoyong" Martirez of UV and 4-time Olympian Edgardo "Ed" Ocampo of Ateneo and the MICAA. Martirez was also the pointguard and hero of the 1971 RP Team that won that year's FIBA-Asia, thus qualifying us for the Olympics.

Some quarters at that time questioned the wisdom of the selection to the 1971 team of the cat-quick Martirez, a Cebuano who looked like a goon, over the mestizo and hot-shooting Ilonggo, Francis Arnaiz. Of course, if Jawo was available, we don't know if history would have picked Yoyong. But at that time of the 1971 FIBA-Asia and the 1972 Olympics, Jawo was serving his lifetime ban for mauling a ref. A ban later lifted by Pres. Marcos and BAP Prexy Lito Puyat, in time for the 1973 FIBA-Asia, a team that had the Jaworski-Arnaiz backcourt tandem.

Trivia : The point guards for the 1990 RP Team to the Beijing Asian Games were___________?

ecasiano
Nov 16, 2009, 04:52 PM
Trivia : The point guards for the 1990 RP Team to the Beijing Asian Games were___________?

Hector Calma and Ronnie Magsanoc

moody erum
Nov 18, 2009, 08:36 AM
Correct si errol. Now, who were the off-guards?

Sa ABL naman, the Philippine Patriots won versus the Kuala Lumpur Dragons, in KL at that. Or did you see it on ESPN?

ecasiano
Nov 18, 2009, 06:10 PM
Correct si errol. Now, who were the off-guards?


I'm not sure if Caidic played the off-guard position.

moody erum
Nov 19, 2009, 11:07 AM
Teemboy - just finished watching the Ginebra-Sta Lucia setto. The Gin Kings were flat-out flat. Losing by 20, I think, I lost count.:???:

Answer to trivia : Dante Gonzalgo and Samboy Lim ( how could you forget? ).#-o

Trivia : Among the Top Five All-time scorers in the PBA, who is the only non-MVP Awardee?

ecasiano
Nov 19, 2009, 02:58 PM
Trivia : Among the Top Five All-time scorers in the PBA, who is the only non-MVP Awardee?

Nelson Asaytono

teem
Nov 20, 2009, 05:25 AM
[QUOTE=moody erum;30457]Teemboy - just finished watching the Ginebra-Sta Lucia setto. The Gin Kings were flat-out flat. Losing by 20, I think, I lost count.:???:

La ko kita bah. Duty ko. Ok lang kay perdi man gali. :wink: Ambot ano na standing subong. Last ko kita behind sila sa Alaska.

moody erum
Nov 20, 2009, 06:00 PM
Answer to trivia : Correct is Errol, its Nelson Asaytono.
The Top Five All-Time are - Mon Fernandez, Abet Guidaben, Alvin Patrimonio, Atoy Co, and Nelson Asaytono. The only non-MVP in that group.

The guy who holds 6th place and the one Asaytono passed on his last year in the PBA : Philip Cezar.

Teemboy - Ginebra is now holding 3rd place in the standings at 5-2, behind SMB at 6-2, and Alaska at 6-1.

Errol - I appreciate your answers. It also means you are updated and watching the games ( still ). Now, if you could add a few observations and comments, it would be really nice. :thumb

Trivia : Who is the leading scorer all-time among active players this season?

teem
Nov 20, 2009, 11:16 PM
Bai Moods,

Mangkot ko bla. Si Apollo Lim sang Adamson sang una. Naka hampang man guid siya sa PBA? Dungan ni sila time ni Johnnie A. kag Vic Pablo (FEU) sa college. Reason I asked, Kenyon Martin reminds me of him. Without the tats of course. :wink: The smirk, frustrated smile, the walk and his physical plays. He played with Duremdes in AU.

moody erum
Nov 21, 2009, 11:24 AM
Teemboy - as far as I can remember wala gid nakahampang sa PBA si Apollo Lim. But he played in the MBA, though lipat na ko sa iya team. I once stood beside him while browsing for sneakers at the Nike Center in SM City during the MBA days, when his team came to play the Iloilo Mega-Voltz. Daku tawo, mga 6'2 guro, bukod lawas, his oncourt battles with the equally rugged Ronald Magtulis were enjoyable. Yes, he was with Duremdes at Adamson. He was Duremdes 'protector' on court then. When he was with the MBA, his smirk and frustrated smile were intact.:thumb

The FIBA-Asia Under-16 Championships are ongoing. Our boys won their first assignment, versus Japan, in OT. The star of the team is Kiefer Ravena of Ateneo, the son of Ilonggo ( Mandurriao ) Bong Ravena ( PBA ROY '92 - SMB, TnT, and in the MBA - Laguna Lakers ).

ecasiano
Nov 21, 2009, 04:04 PM
Watched the Philippines vs Indonesia ABL game. The Philippine Patriots dominated the Indonesians 74-56. Dixon played a good game registering another double-double at 12 points and 10 rebounds. The Patriots were effective in controlling the boards and they completed an alley-oop in the 3rd quarter. The Philippines is now tied on top with the Singapore Slingers at 5-1.

moody erum
Nov 22, 2009, 06:51 AM
I missed the Indonesia vs RP return match, though I read the recap. But I saw the Kuala Lumpur Dragons vs the RP Patriots game, played in KL and broadcast on ESPN. In that game, Jason Dixon and Powell had 17 points each. The KL Dragons had two Pinoy imports who played well - Rudy Lingganay and Roel Hugnatan ( Adamson ), the younger brother of Alaska's Reynel Hugnatan.

Answer to trivia : Jeffrey Cariaso is the leading all-time scorer among active PBA players with 8,900+ points so far, though he is retiring at the end of this season. The 2nd all-time active scorer is Dennis Espino of Coke with 8,300+ points so far.

Incidentally, SMB won their game in Cebu, and hometown boy Don-don Hontiveros led the team with 17 points and 13 rebounds. He also became the 60th PBA player to score at least 5,000 points for his career.

teem
Nov 22, 2009, 08:40 PM
RB Barako beaten by Sta. Lucia in OT. RB failed to capiltalize on their lead in regulation. Kag indi maisip nga missed FT's. :sad: Actually both teams missed chunks of their bonus shots. Ambot kon may ara man freethrow coach sa PBA.

First quarter of the second game b/n Purefoods and Alaska entertained. Mayo ang PG sang duha ka teams. Play by play. Shot by shot. Daw showcase guid sila nga duha sa 1st Q. Ambot kon sin-o daug. :-k James Yap, mayo man ang moves.

Bai Moods,

Notice ko sa PBA, it needs more star players (like the past) that has special gifts to dominate or entertain - which fans can identify with. Like a 3 pt. specialists, a skywalker, a floor general. Daw diutay lang guid ang may tuod-tuod nga abilidad. Kalabanan taas kag daku lang guid abi. Knows the fundamentals and all. Or basi indi lang guid ko familiar sa ila maayo. The games are less exciting to watch at times.

moody erum
Nov 23, 2009, 10:58 AM
Teemboy - daug ang Alaska by a mile over Purefoods : 101-87.

Yes, the two pointguards - Paul Artadi of Purefoods and LA Tenorio of Alaska were the showcases, Tenorio with 24 points and Artadi with 19, going toe-to-toe at each other.

Your observations are correct Teemboy. That's why attendance is dwindling in PBA games. You get a fair-sized crowd on Fridays or weekends, or in the Finals. And that's why you have so many out-of-town games to the provinces now, because a provincial game guarantees good gate receipts.

We were fortunate to have seen the best Pinoy basketeers during the 70s, 80s, and 90s. But the influx of Fil-Ams have diminished the crowds. The fans are not as warm to them as homegrowns. Yet, homegrowns are diminishing in number on PBA rosters. Plus, due to the bigger and taller Fil-Ams/Fil-Fors, PBA teams go for the bigger and taller homegrown Pinoys to match-up. Less exciting, though fundamentally sound. But the smaller, quicker, faster, sharp-shooting homegrowns are left out.

Case in point - Samboy and Paul Alvarez, for all their wondrous talents, would have a hard time taking off and entertaining us today, with all these Fil-Fors and homegrown behemoths clogging the lane. Alvin Patrimonio, the premier power forward of our time, had to shift to small forward the last 5 seasons of his career, because he couldn't mow down the Fil-Ams at the lowpost. He was reduced to shooting treys and passing off.

That's also why you and I were entertained by the two pointguards Artadi and Tenorio, because that was Pinoy basketball - smallball, fast and quick moves, pinpoint passing and outside shooting.

One other thing - its true, Pinoy basketball has degenerated in its outside shooting skills. Because our players try to play like NBA-ers. Instead of the Pinoy penchant of yesteryears of moving the ball quickly, finding the openman, zipping the ball at the edges of the envelope, we find drives which get blocked by taller opponents especially in international play. Before, we had Papa, Adornado, Caidic, Atoy Co, Jawo, Arnaiz, Manansala, and etc and etc, practically all the stars could shoot. Today, they can't even make freethrows which Jawo and Atoy and their contemporaries could make blindfolded.

teem
Nov 25, 2009, 09:45 PM
Teemboy - daug ang Alaska by a mile over Purefoods : 101-87.

Yes, the two pointguards - Paul Artadi of Purefoods and LA Tenorio of Alaska were the showcases, Tenorio with 24 points and Artadi with 19, going toe-to-toe at each other.

Your observations are correct Teemboy. That's why attendance is dwindling in PBA games. You get a fair-sized crowd on Fridays or weekends, or in the Finals. And that's why you have so many out-of-town games to the provinces now, because a provincial game guarantees good gate receipts.

We were fortunate to have seen the best Pinoy basketeers during the 70s, 80s, and 90s. But the influx of Fil-Ams have diminished the crowds. The fans are not as warm to them as homegrowns. Yet, homegrowns are diminishing in number on PBA rosters. Plus, due to the bigger and taller Fil-Ams/Fil-Fors, PBA teams go for the bigger and taller homegrown Pinoys to match-up. Less exciting, though fundamentally sound. But the smaller, quicker, faster, sharp-shooting homegrowns are left out.

Case in point - Samboy and Paul Alvarez, for all their wondrous talents, would have a hard time taking off and entertaining us today, with all these Fil-Fors and homegrown behemoths clogging the lane. Alvin Patrimonio, the premier power forward of our time, had to shift to small forward the last 5 seasons of his career, because he couldn't mow down the Fil-Ams at the lowpost. He was reduced to shooting treys and passing off.

That's also why you and I were entertained by the two pointguards Artadi and Tenorio, because that was Pinoy basketball - smallball, fast and quick moves, pinpoint passing and outside shooting.

One other thing - its true, Pinoy basketball has degenerated in its outside shooting skills. Because our players try to play like NBA-ers. Instead of the Pinoy penchant of yesteryears of moving the ball quickly, finding the openman, zipping the ball at the edges of the envelope, we find drives which get blocked by taller opponents especially in international play. Before, we had Papa, Adornado, Caidic, Atoy Co, Jawo, Arnaiz, Manansala, and etc and etc, practically all the stars could shoot. Today, they can't even make freethrows which Jawo and Atoy and their contemporaries could make blindfolded.


Syado ka tinggas nga analysis Bai Moods. :thumb

Kon taas ka, lawlaw ka man. Ang may abilidad, gamay man. #-o

My son quips at times that basketball is for taller guys. Indeed it is. But I like it anyway. Like you said - small ball.

moody erum
Nov 29, 2009, 12:02 PM
Our U-16 RP Team finished 4th in the FIBA-Asia U-16 Tourney. The 1st 3 finishers : China ( Champs ), South Korea ( 2nd ), I.R.Iran ( 3rd ). The top two qualify for the World U-17 Championships in 2010.

The two stars of our team - Keifer Ravena and Jeron Teng, the sons of Bong and Alvin ( Robo-Cop ).

For RG - the star of Ateneo in the elem level is KOBE Paras, that's right, Benjie's son. Kobe too.:thumb

teem
Nov 29, 2009, 10:05 PM
For my limited viewing chances, I saw SMB rout Burger King at Ynares Sports arena today. Santos had 8-9 blocks :clapclap: and close to 30 points.

I kinda like the coverage at this smaller venue. The players appear closer, the seats occupied to the brim. Fans within spitting distance from the players bench.

I guess the PBA is reduced to this. Gone were the sell out games in the Big Dome, Ultra and the Astodome. In ways, this is good for the fans to get intimate and follow.

As Bai Moods said, dwindling attendance. Generate revenue elsewhere. PBA gone satellite. A regular game for our town fiesta is not a farfetched idea anymore. :wink: